Aucbvax.1867
fa.info-cpm
utzoo!duke!decvax!ucbvax!AFITGORDON@BBNB
Tue Jun 23 03:51:03 1981
Response to Berkeley (1)
Hi, All,
Discussion seems to have been renewed! Marvelous! It looks
like some real UNIX hackers (system programmer types) have gotten into
the act! Welcome!
In response to the first irate UNIX hacker (name unknown) [msg
dted 16 Jun at 20:58:12-PTD from duke!decvax!unc!smb at Berkeley], I
wonder what he read!?! First of all, I assume he is referring to the
message of 15 Jun at 12:31 EDT from AFITGORDON since it is 27,700+
chars and he made reference to a 25K file.
The following answers his accusations in order (the order in
his message):
1. He claims that I said that "CP/M has more proven tools
than UNIX". What I said was "I have not seen
comparable field-proven software on the NEW UNIX
systems" (pg 7), which is not saying the same thing;
to be exact, I was hoping it would invite information
which would increase my own knowledge on the subject
of UNIX tools.
2. I did NOT say that UNIX has "No screen editor"; what I
said was "Are there any screen oriented editors and
formatters?" (pg 3).
3. I did NOT say that UNIX had "No ability for ... user
to have a tailored command set"; what I said was
"special work environments, each with their own set of
commands, can be easily created" (pg 4, par 1.) and
"specialized shells or even menu-driven command
environments can be created with ease" (pg 4, par 2.).
4. I did NOT say that UNIX does NOT support
transportability; what I said was "Both UNIX .... an
CP/M are generally adequate, extensible, and support
transportable software" (pg 7, 2nd full par).
Further, I am aware of Bell's portability ideas from
"Portability of C Programs and the UNIX System", BSTJ,
Jul-Aug 78, Vol 57, No 6, Part 2, ISSN0005-8580, by
Johnson and Ritchie.
5. Finally, your impression is correct concerning my use
of UNIX. I have touched it just a few times, and do
NOT have extensive experience with it. We are running
UNIX on our PDP 11/60 at AFIT, and I am involved on
its committee and have touched it only once. My data
in these messages (as I have already stated) comes
from the Bell System Technical Journal I have been
quoting and our own UNIX manuals.
Appearantly, this message has stemmed from the sender reading
all sorts of things into my message. He has been trying to put words
into my mouth while we are saying the same thing all along!
The purpose of my messages has been to pass data, and I
encourage your responses concerning data (with references) on UNIX.
But let's not launch any personal, critical attacks based upon what
you are reading into what I am saying as opposed to what I am actually
saying. Your message only provided a minimum of new info on V7 PWB
and 32V (UNIX-32 for VAX?), and the rest of it repeated what I already
said (agreeing with me, by the way). If you do not feel that you have
agreed with me, cite the page and paragraph in which I said something
contrary to your views.
If you or anyone else wishes to review the entire dialog, I
have been maintaining a reading file of what I considered to be the
critical messages (both sides) and will be happy to transmit it to you
(preferably FTP it).
Rick Conn
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