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Aucbvax.1867
fa.info-cpm
utzoo!duke!decvax!ucbvax!AFITGORDON@BBNB
Tue Jun 23 03:51:03 1981
Response to Berkeley (1)
Hi, All,
        Discussion  seems  to have been renewed!  Marvelous!  It looks
like some real UNIX hackers (system programmer types) have gotten into
the act!  Welcome!
        In response to the first irate UNIX hacker (name unknown) [msg
dted  16  Jun at 20:58:12-PTD from duke!decvax!unc!smb at Berkeley], I
wonder what he read!?!  First of all, I assume he is referring to  the
message  of  15  Jun  at 12:31 EDT from AFITGORDON since it is 27,700+
chars and he made reference to a 25K file.
        The  following  answers his accusations in order (the order in
his message):
        1.  He claims that I said that "CP/M has more proven tools
            than  UNIX".   What  I  said  was  "I  have  not  seen
            comparable  field-proven  software  on  the  NEW  UNIX
            systems" (pg 7), which is not saying the  same  thing;
            to  be exact, I was hoping it would invite information
            which would increase my own knowledge on  the  subject
            of UNIX tools.
        2.  I did NOT say that UNIX has "No screen editor"; what I
            said  was  "Are  there any screen oriented editors and
            formatters?"  (pg 3).
        3.  I  did NOT say that UNIX had "No ability for ...  user
            to have a tailored  command  set";  what  I  said  was
            "special work environments, each with their own set of
            commands, can be easily created" (pg 4, par  1.)   and
            "specialized   shells   or  even  menu-driven  command
            environments can be created with ease" (pg 4, par 2.).
        4.  I   did   NOT   say   that   UNIX   does  NOT  support
            transportability; what I said was "Both UNIX ....   an
            CP/M  are  generally adequate, extensible, and support
            transportable  software"  (pg  7,   2nd   full   par).
            Further,  I  am aware of Bell's portability ideas from
            "Portability of C Programs and the UNIX System", BSTJ,
            Jul-Aug  78,  Vol  57, No 6, Part 2, ISSN0005-8580, by
            Johnson and Ritchie.
        5.  Finally,  your impression is correct concerning my use
            of UNIX.  I have touched it just a few times,  and  do
            NOT have extensive experience with it.  We are running
            UNIX on our PDP 11/60 at AFIT, and I  am  involved  on
            its  committee and have touched it only once.  My data
            in these messages (as I  have  already  stated)  comes
            from  the  Bell  System  Technical Journal I have been
            quoting and our own UNIX manuals.
        Appearantly,  this message has stemmed from the sender reading
all sorts of things into my message.  He has been trying to put  words
into my mouth while we are saying the same thing all along!
        The purpose of my messages  has  been  to  pass  data,  and  I
encourage  your  responses  concerning data (with references) on UNIX.
But let's not launch any personal, critical attacks  based  upon  what
you are reading into what I am saying as opposed to what I am actually
saying.  Your message only provided a minimum of new info  on  V7  PWB
and 32V (UNIX-32 for VAX?), and the rest of it repeated what I already
said (agreeing with me, by the way).  If you do not feel that you have
agreed  with me, cite the page and paragraph in which I said something
contrary to your views.
        If  you  or  anyone else wishes to review the entire dialog, I
have been maintaining a reading file of what I considered  to  be  the
critical messages (both sides) and will be happy to transmit it to you
(preferably FTP it).
	
					Rick Conn
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