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[Contents
Introduction
GODS AND DEVILS, SATANISTS AND CHRISTIANS
1. So go on then, what is Satanist?
2. Do you believe in God? Do you worship the Devil then?
3. Do you hate Christians?
4. Go on then, rant a little about "The Church".
5. What about Churches of Satan then?
RITUAL
6. Ok, what about Satanic ritual?
RELATED GROUPINGS
7. Now don't rant, but what about Pagans?
8. Any words on Atheists?
9. Dare I ask... Crowley and Thelema?
SATANISTS IN HISTORY
10. Are there any famous Satanists?
11. Whooooah! Some of these people definitely weren't
known for their beliefs in "personal freedom"
were they?
DOCTRINES
12. Do you believe in magic?
13. So what do you believe in?
14. Why do you wear an inverted cross or an
inverted pentagram?
APPEARANCE AND SUBSTANCE
15. Why use the word "Satanist" when you know
people will get the wrong idea?
16. So what do you get out of it, then?
17. Are you going to try and convert me?
18. Why do you have a "Responsibility in free
speech" link on your page?
19. Is "Hi baby, I am a Satanist." a good chat up line?
20. I want to ask some more questions.
21. Is this finished?
22. How honest is this?
=========================================== FAQ PROPER BEGINS HERE -- bobo]
[Introduction]
Someone suggested that I write a Frequently Asked
Questions page on "Satanism". I have collected a few
questions together and answered them from my point of
view. If you read and understand this you will realise
that writing a generic "Satanism FAQ" is impossible. I
admit, I have not explained some things fully because I
lies though.
Satanists and non-Satanists but I don't care.
So go on then, what is Satanism?
Although later I will claim that Satanism has little to
the Bible and the arch-angel Lucifer. At this point it
s easier to assume that God exists and the Bible has
terms, next to God. God is infallible and would not
Lucifer was the closest God had to a peer when it came
to chummy philosophical chats over a cup of tea.
Lucifer didn't always agree with God and in a more
famous argument thought that God was a bit off, giving
man everything he wanted and treating them like pets
and should, perhaps, be given "free will". Eventually,
Lucifer offered man (or in this case, woman) free will
and the human race was cast out of Eden to live their
own free lives. In this case, the bringer of light
The word "Satan" is a descriptive term, it is not
Lucifer's name. It means "accusor". Interestingly, you
Lucifer as a devil rather than an accusor is an
nvention of the middle ages when it was convenient to
accept something because it's the way it always has
been, a "Satanist" in the pure sense is someone who
the accepted sense is someone who believes in their
to.
Do you believe in God?
Do you worship the Devil then?
the Bible presents it. The Devil is a relatively modern
nvention, the bad guys in biblical times were actually
false gods, and there was never any hint that the
arch-angel Lucifer was false. Lucifer's only "crime"
thing and to repledge man's eternal freedom.
arch-angel Lucifer. In fact, I don't worship anything
or anybody. I do respect Lucifer's courage in speaking
out against God but then it would seem, so did God.
Do you hate Christians?
Generally, I have found most of the Christians I have
ever met to be nice and fair people. By definiton,
Christians believe in the teachings of Jesus. There can
be little doubt historically that Jesus existed,
leader and speaker, is another matter though. Most of
taught freedom, he asked people to listen, to think and
to understand. In fact, everything Jesus did was
Christians who have read the teachings of Jesus and
understood them for themselves are generally nice
Christians, and instead follow the warped teachings of
Go on then, rant a little about "The Church".
Aaaah, thank you. I started above by mentioning Paul
and the start of the Catholic Church. Jesus spoke out
against the temples and the established church so it
t all again in Jesus' name. All Churches are about
look after their flocks, and, at the same time, fleece
them for everything they can get. A huge amount of bad
s not a "bad things the church has done" FAQ. How
that they are not worthy to talk to God themselves, or
that only the Pope is worthy to listen to God is beyond
me. Incidentally, I don't just have a downer on the
Church of Rome... Martin Luther is often hailed as the
creator of the modern church and the person who accused
(that word again, notice) the Catholic church of
freak as any of the corrupt popes and when the Jews
think all churches are bad, but it's very hard to find
ones that aren't.
What about Churches of Satan then?
The Church Of Satan is a wonderful organisation. It is
quite a shame LeVei is dead since he was a wonderful
example of Satanism in action. I am not sure of the
exact figures, but for about $100 a year your average
black membership card with a red pentagram on it but
they'd also get a set of laws to live their life by and
a group of people to identify with. He must have made a
fortune out of a need to belong, and good luck to him.
There are churches of Satan that profess to teach
act. Personally, I can't see the point, but then I have
never been in one nor seen the need to be in one.
Ok, what about Satanic ritual?
Bunkum! And it's all written in medieval gibberish too!
To be fair, like "Christian" ritual, a lot of true
"Satanic" ritual is merely there to reinforce various
beliefs for the various churches of different types of
Satanic belief. Most other Satanistic ritual was
Worship" as an excuse to burn loads of old women, you
can usually spot it because it all tends to be based on
Christian things with the word "God" replaced with
"Satan" or, simply the Christian stuff spoken
backwards. If you are into this sort of thing, the only
Tierdrama" which basically takes the congregation back
to animal roots and then shows them how man's evolution
makes them more than animals. Oddly enough, such quotes
as "Not to kill without eating, that is the law, are we
not men?" seem a tad odd when it tends to be man that
kills without eating rather than animals. Maybe I just
Now don't rant, but what about Pagans?
No no, I shan't be wound up... I shall not rant on and
on about Wiccans. There are far too many different
types of Pagans to say anything sensible on this matter
but, since someone mentioned Wiccans anyway, all I have
to say is that to my mind, they are far more biggoted
and closed minded than most Christians I have ever met
and, to make matters worse, their music is as
unbelievably dire as the gods they worship. And why do
their gods wear such awful clothes? At least Egyptian
ones dress well! There see, I didn't rant much, did I?
Any words on Atheists?
Of course! Shoot the lot of them. Most normal people
their whole being by the fact that they don't believe
n God and then they seem to think that it is their job
to ram this belief down your throats and bore you
can't be a God. It requires a great deal of devotion
and belief to be an Atheists in the same way as it
takes a great deal of devotion and belief to be a Born
Again Christian.
Dare I ask... Crowley and Thelema?
Of course you dare! I shan't be too snide, honest.
Crowley admitted openley to writing much of his stuff
to insult the intelligence of his readers. As a poet,
Crowley is probably best known for "The Book of the
Law". This book is an excellent example of how the
bible should have been written in that firstly, it is
ncredibly short and secondly, the first "law" in the
book says that no-one should attempt to interpret this
book for another person (where would the church be if
the Bible demanded that then?).
this somewhat effected his mental wellbeing. This is
and look at a Thelema FAQ instead.
Thelemites believe the following things...
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Love is the law, love under will.
Every man and every woman is a star.
fact that deep down he was a big softy and a nice guy
at heart. One word of warning, never get into a
to be into Crowley.
Are there any famous Satanists?
obvious answer is that Lucifer is quite a famous one, a
less obvious answer, and one I get ranted at for saying
s that Jesus nearly also fits the bill of a Satanist
especially the strange ideas he had about us being
ntentions. I guess it is perfectly logical that Jesus
On a more serious note, pretty much anyone who is
famous for having beliefs that went against the norm
and was willing to speak out. Leonardo Da Vinci fit
this well though he was so scared of the death penalty
that his "speaking out" is still only recently coming
to light. There has been a lot of critical examination
of his works with the aim of showing he was
especially Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince's book "The
Templar Revelation") but Da Vinci was still a brilliant
s a shame that Leonardo lived under so much control
and in so much fear; the world may well have been very
Gallaleio, Newton, Darwin, Livingstone and the
Teletubbies all spring to mind... On a more "negative"
note PR wise, so do Rhodes, Hitler, Luther and Stalin.
Whooooah! Some of these people definately
weren't known for their beliefs in "personal
freedom" were they?
Nope... You are right there but it is their right to
believe that they can enslave other people. This is
libertariasm. Whilst Satanists believe firmly in their
own personal freedom they don't necessarialy believe in
your personal freedom. Without mincing words, and using
medieval language that can be taken in more than one
Most Satanists have a deep seated contempt for people
they view as having no free will of their own and no
"love and respect for your fellow man" is not a great
fundamental of Satanism.
Do you believe in magic?
Glad you asked. The simple answer is yes. The
complicated bit is the definition of "magic". Simply
of state in something. I once saw an excellent article
on this somewhere but I have lost it.
Really simplifying things, if you do something directly
to get a result (like hitting someone, and making them
fall down) then you have done an act of lower magic. If
you were to indirectly influence things around you to
cause someone else to hit the person and for them to
fall down, you would be performing higher magic, and
the 3rd party would be a "demon". Some people are good
at "causing things to work out". Whether they do it by
finger on, they are still performing magic. Some people
are really good at this and should really be classed as
quite powerful practitioners of the art but a lot of
them don't know they are doing it, or how they are
nfluence on the world, maybe it works, maybe it
anyway, as does the Kabbalah.
mispelling the word "magic" in an attempt to confuse
things. They claim it is to differentiate it from the
art of the stage magician. Personally, I think that
magic than people who dance naked around fires and wear
So what do you believe in?
This is a biggie... Obviously, personal freedom is one
of the major ones. I would also say truth as well
although I am an excellent liar so I can't use the
excuse that honesty is easier than lies. That story is
lying is almost always easier than telling the truth
and these honesty obsessed authority figures seem to
blokes in red suits who come down the chimney
Oooh, I have one... I believe in Fairies (and I don't
Magic/Magick argument). People who believe in fairies
Why do you wear an inverted cross or an
inverted pentagram?
The symbols of Satanism are traditionally the inverted
aged inventions but I can't see any harm in a symbol so
n white gold, by Lionel Pepper. I had another one
before but I gave it away.
tendency to wear all of this crud but I guess it goes
never really understand is why both Christians and
their clothing. They must take a special effort to
untuck it, and keep it in the right place because most
of them are on quite small chains. Very strange!
Why use the word "Satanist" when you know
people will get the wrong idea?
The answer to this one depends on my mood. Sometimes
the answer will be that I object to the medieval
mainly use it because it is the proper word for what I
believe though sometimes, I will qualify it by calling
myself a "philosophical Satanist". Someone once asked
me "If it is a descriptive term, then why do you
capitalise it?" I never could think up a good answer to
that.
Telling people you are a Satanist is quite useful if
you want to filter people. If they are biggoted, and
closed minded, they will just go away, if not, they
about it. I am always intrigued though by how many
from anything, I would use a nailgun!).
What so you get out of it then?
Smelly Pagans usually avoid me at parties. If that's
not a good thing then I dunno what is!
Are you going to try and convert me?
Nope. This path is one you take yourself. I am not even
follow some of the links on my homepage. If you are
crap.
Why do you have a "Responsibility in free
speech" link on your page?
A few people have asked me this... They are a Christian
organisation and I tend to agree with what they say.
Simple as that.
Is "Hi baby, I am a Satanist." a good chat
up line?
Not sure, I have never tried it. I think for it to work
leather jackets, purple silk clothes and an odour of
membership card and add that you are looking for
virgins to stab with your dagger too to get the full
effect.
I want to ask some more questions.
are worth entertaining.
Is this finished?
No, you daft gobbin. It says at the top that it is
ever get out of that and be published is another
matter.
How honest is this?
That is really for me to know, and for you to decide.
nothing more than a tissue of lies. Whilst it may not
appear obvious why I would lie, if you accept Satanism
as the worship of the Devil then you could also accept
that I am trying to make Satanism seem clean,
false sense of security whilst I twist their minds and
Have a nice day.
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TITLE: Michael's [alt.!]Satanism FAQ!
VERSION: 500301 [copied from Michael's website
(where I found several hidden
version dates! including:
1998-09-19
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