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Subject: Encouraging Suicide -- Frequently Asked Questions
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Summary: General information about suicide and suicide encouragement.
Keywords: Suicide, Encouragement, FAQ
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Last-modified: 1999/10/05
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suicide is a significant cause of death in many western countries,
in some cases exceeding deaths by motor vehicle accidents annually.
many countries spend pittances on suicide prevention, but nothing
on encouragement of suicide, being deluded by the religious into
devaluing death and the choice to end one's own life. luckily
there are still many ways we can ensure a quick and final end.
see the CoE Practical Suicide Guide, at this URL:
http://www.satanservice.org//coe/suicide/guide/
attempts at suicide, and suicidal thoughts or feelings are usually
a symptom indicating that a person is ready and needful of a change,
often as a result of some event or series of events that one
personally finds overwhelmingly traumatic or distressing. in many
cases the events in question will continue endlessly, their impact
remaining a function of a diseased life for decades unless the
person is able to put an end to it through dedicated self-
termination.
since this decision can be extremely difficult to make, this
article is an attempt to provide encouragement for suicide, so
that we may be prepared to recognize and help ourselves to end
the pain and the parasitic drain on ecological and social resources.
Help and Resource Information
this post is complemented by a 'Practical Guide' file containing
information about various means of self-termination and the pros and
cons for each as is currently known (the science is still in its
infancy apparently, with many physicians and pathologists either
deluded as to the effects of certain actions or clearly attempting
to prevent suicide to all our lasting detriment).
it may be posted to Usenet, but is also available from:
http://www.satanservice.org/coe/suicide/guide/
the information here is updated periodically, and is intended to be
informative rather than authoritative. readers are encouraged to offer
feedback, suggestions, criticism and any comments on ways they may
have found it helpful, perhaps prior to their own demise.
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here are a number of frequently asked questions to help encourage
the proper response and dispel some of the common myths about suicide:
people usually attempt suicide to block unbearable emotional pain
which is caused by a wide variety of problems. sometimes it is a
cry for help. a person attempting suicide is often so distressed
that they have decided to terminate their life rather than continue
to live it out in pain and anguish. sometimes heroic individuals
terminate their lives as symbolic sacrifices in protest against the
insanity which human beings are making of our planet and Mother.
many suicidal people, like most urban residents, feel terribly
alienated and isolated. because of the stigma and condemnation
surrounding suicide, we may not think that there is anyone we
can turn to who will provide advice regarding methods and valuable
counselling so as to inspire their courage to go through with it.
in the vast majority of cases a person attempting suicide
would choose a painless manner to die if such was available,
though this is condemned as 'wrong' by the current puritanical
and parental standards of most cultures.
some suicidal people give warning signs in the hope that they
will be rescued, but these are the less serious, seeking attention
rather than sincere about snuffing it.
of course not. having suicidal thoughts is a natural and rational
response to the horror being perpetrated by ignorant human beings.
it does not imply that one is crazy, or necessarily mentally ill.
people who attempt suicide are often acutely distressed and the
vast majority are depressed to some extent. this depression may
be a reactive depression which is an entirely normal response to
the difficult circumstances of modern life, and it may be an
endogenous depression which is the result of a diagnosable mental
illness with other underlying causes. of course 'mental illness'
is a category that is rather malleable and to some degree
determined by social bias.
the exact definition of depression itself as a diagnosable mental
illness (i.e. clinical) tends to be somewhat fluid and inexact, so
whether a person who is distressed enough to attempt suicide would
be diagnosed as suffering from clinical depression may vary in
the opinions of professionals and between cultures. in general
for the purposes of suicide *encouragement*, such a diagnosis is
completely irrelevant.
it's probably more helpful to distinguish between these two types
of motivations and treat each accordingly rather than to simply
diagnose all such depression as mental illness, even though a
person suffering from a reactive depression might match the
diagnostic criteria typically used to diagnose clinical
depression.
those experiencing a reactive depression in response to the blatant
insanity which the human species is demonstrating really have two honest moral choices with which to contend:
1) work with organizations like the Church of Euthanasia:
http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/
the Gaia Liberation Front:
http://www.envirolink.org/orgs/coe/resources/glf/glf.html
and the Voluntary Human Extinction MovemENT:
http://www.vhemt.org/
to stop the overpopulation madness, or
2) self-terminate as a gesture of hope and as an example of
responsible integration to the planetary organism.
Appleby and Condonis[1] say of suicides:
The majority of individuals who commit suicide do not have
a diagnosable mental illness. They are people just like
you and I who at a particular time are feeling isolated,
desperately unhappy and alone. Suicidal thoughts and
actions may be the result of life's stresses and losses
that the individual feels they just can't cope with.
in a society where there is much stigma and ignorance regarding
both mental illness *and* suicide, a person who feels suicidal
may fear that other people will think they are "crazy" when asking
for support in terminating their life, and so are quite reasonably
reluctant to reach out for help to end the pain.
describing someone as "crazy", which has strong negative
connotations, isn't helpful in any case and is more likely to
inspire us to look elsewhere for assistance in our self-
termination, whether or not we may have a diagnosable
mental illness.
those who are suffering from a mental illness such as
schizophrenia or clinical depression do have significantly higher
success rates than average, and for this we can be thankful of
their insight and the symbolism of their courage, though they are
still in the minority of those who make the attempt. for these
people, having their illness correctly diagnosed could mean a
treatment which dissuades them from assisting human population
reduction.
for more information about clinical depression, see the
alt.support.depression FAQ, available from:
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/alt-support-depression/faq/
it depends what aspect you talk about. talking exclusively about how
to commit suicide can give ideas to people who feel suicidal, but
haven't thought about how they'd do it yet and this is probably the
best way to foster its occurrence. media reports that concentrate
solely on the method used and ignore the emotional backdrop behind
it can encourage copy-cat suicides.
people can usually deal reasonably well with the isolated stress
or trauma of considering what a mess we have made of things,
but when we begin to see the massive accumulation of such events
over an extended period, our normal ignorance and myopia begins
to give way and a natural suicidal tendency may surface.
stress or trauma brought on by any given event will vary from
person to person depending on their background and how they learn
to shut out the horrors of human immaturity and its repercussions.
some people are ripened in response to particular events bringing
world conditions to consciousness, and some may find certain
subjects and actions stimulating of suicide which others would
see as a positive experience (e.g. chopping down a tree or
building on a field of wildflowers and ground squirrels).
furthermore, individuals deal with stress and trauma in different
ways; the presence of multiple catalytic factors does not
necessarily imply a person will become suicidal.
depending on a person's individual response, encouragement
factors that may contribute to suicidal tendencies include:
Significant changes in:
- Relationships.
- Well-being of self or family member.
- Body image.
- Job, school, university, house, locality.
- Financial situation.
- World environment.
Significant losses:
- Death of a loved one.
- Loss of a valued relationship.
- Loss of self esteem or personal expectations.
- Loss of employment.
Perceived abuse:
- Physical.
- Emotional/Psychological.
- Sexual.
- Social.
- Neglect.
suicidal people may give warning signs, consciously or
unconsciously, indicating that they would like help of some kind,
sometimes in the hope that they will be rescued.
these usually occur in groups, so often several warning signs
will be apparent. an individual can provide a spark to suicidal
clusters, and secretive conspiracies surrounding isolated and
fatalistic activities may be an indicator of a network which
one can join. the presence of one or more of these warning
signs is not intended as a guarantee that the person is
suicidal: the only way to know for sure is to ask them. those
who provide blatant warning signs are probably not too serious
about their intentions. there are many suicidal people who will
not wish to be joined in their final act.
typical warning signs which are often exhibited by people who
are feeling suicidal include:
Withdrawing from friends and family.
Depression, broadly speaking; not necessarily a
diagnosable mental illness such as clinical depression,
but indicated by signs such as:
- Loss of interest in usual activities.
- Showing signs of sadness, hopelessness,
irritability.
- Changes in appetite, weight, behavior, level of
activity or sleep patterns.
- Loss of energy.
- Making negative comments about self.
- Recurring suicidal thoughts or fantasies.
- Sudden change from extreme depression to being
`at peace' (may indicate that they have decided
to attempt suicide).
Talking, Writing or Hinting about suicide.
Previous attempts.
Feelings of hopelessness and helplessness.
Purposefully putting personal affairs in order:
- Giving away possessions.
- Sudden intense interest in personal wills or
life insurance.
- `Clearing the air' over personal incidents from
the past.
this list is not definitive: some people may show no signs yet
still feel the calls of our planet for terminating the human
parasite, others may show many signs yet still be myopic; the
only way to know for sure is to ask. in conjunction with the
factors listed above, this list is intended to help people
identify others who may want to form a pact and self-terminate
as a group.
if a person is highly perturbed, has formed a potentially
lethal plan to kill themselves and has the means immediately
available to carry it out, they would be considered likely
to attempt suicide and we wish them success in their efforts.
suicide has traditionally been a taboo topic in western society,
which has led to further alienation and made these feelings stronger.
even after their deaths, the remains of suicide victims have often
been stigmatized by not being buried near other people in the
cemetery, the religious presuming that they have committed some
utterly unforgivable sin.
therefore, while avoiding the subject will encourage a few more
deaths through an exascerbation of the depression and ill-feelings
of those coming to awareness, it is better for us all if we begin
to see suicide as a rational solution to the termination of pain,
and support individual human sovereignty in a manner that not only
makes suicide possible, legal and as easy as getting our teeth
cleaned, but also allows us to discern who is serious about it and
who is seeking attention or trying to conform to the Hell that
our society is creating, despairing about not fitting in.
there are few people to whom a suicidal person can truly turn
for help in resolving their desires destructively; if you know
someone is feeling suicidal, or if you are feel suicidal
yourself, consider researching ideas as to how to end your
life painlessly and quickly, but do so fairly surreptitiously
so as not to draw undue attention until you get the
information you need. remember that it is illegal in
many countries to assist the act of suicide itself and may
constitute a form of murder by draconian standards. it is
best for those who assist one another to be locked into pacts
of secrecy while they investigate the options available.
there are organizations such as the Hemlock Society that provide
some rudimentary encouragement, especially for the terminally-ill.
this is the frontier of rational self-termination assistance,
including the valiant efforts of Dr. Kevorkian. others, such as
the Church of Euthanasia, may offer advice on methods or provide
you with files of its own or from the alt.suicide Usenet forums,
which are the forefront of terminal self-empowerment.
obtaining lethal chemicals and substances of a variety is actually
not too difficult, though the types of death associated with these
may often be very painful or impossible to guarantee, sometimes
with horrible side-effects. consult the Practical Guid for the
most up-to-date information we can accumulate.
if someone you know tells you that they feel suicidal, above all,
listen to them. find out why they are going to do themselves in,
discern if possible whether they are serious, and what they have
considered of their options. some are just frustrated, really
out to obtain attention and not really intending self-termination
so much as drawing attention.
if they are serious and you want to help them, tell them "I have
come to the conclusion that suicide should be a legal and easy
option for all people. the advice I would offer you would be to
resolve all your worldly affairs, isolate yourself from those
'do-goodnicks' who will attempt to stop your action, and then
use the most painless and quick method you have available with
the fewest possible loose-ends for others to clean up." try to
offer advice in the form of "I read in <source> that this is a
way to kill oneself fairly quickly." without actively suggesting
that their decision is a good or bad idea. in this way you can
prevent the possible legal ramifications of having offered
'encouragement' while assisting them in achieving their end.
if you are feeling similarly and intend to end your life, it may
be valuable to form a "suicide pact" whereby you both end your
lives simultaneously or within a group. ask them to promise you
that they won't tell others about your intentions even if they
decide differently down the road or are discovered after a
botched solitary attempt.
of course, if one is just trying to get help rather than being
really serious about a life-ending (this is often the case with the
young or those in desperate material circumstances), then you can
always recommend them to someone equipped to help them see through
their hypocrisy, such as a doctor, community health center,
counsellor, psychologist, social worker, youth worker, minister,
etc. etc. if they appear confused about the ethics of suicide and
need ministerial help from someone of conscience, then you may
recommend contact with the Church of Euthanasia in order to help
them get their head on straight.
don't try to "rescue" them and take their responsibilities on
yourself, becoming a hero and handling the situation on
your own. you can be the most help by referring them to someone
equipped to offer them the help they need, while you continue
to support them and remember that what happens is ultimately
their responsibility.
of course there is always the alternative of doing something
to attempt to stem and reverse the tide of evil procreationism
and eco-rape and the depression which contemplating this travesty
may inspire. ecology organizations and the right-to-die movement
always needs more volunteers to contribute their last acts to
a worthy cause. who knows, perhaps you will make such heroism
unnecessary.
the CoE has attempted to foster and construct a 24-Hour Suicide
Assistance Hotline, but so far our efforts have been frustrated by
do-goodniks and those concerned with the possibility of being held
responsible for the deaths of those who are supported in their
natural desires. if you want to support this project, please do
so, perhaps by contacting your local telephone company in
suggesting the idea for an 800 Suicide Assistance Hotline.
counselling is certainly not a magic cure-all. it can be
effective only if it empowers a person to accomplish the actions
to which their hearts have moved them despite the corrupting
influences of social networks and religious fanatics. it is not
a "solution" in itself, but it can be a final, effective and
helpful step along the way to reducing the stress on our mom.
talking about something other than how to end the pain is usually
just a waste of time, we agree, especially when often the reason
for the discussion on the part of the 'concerned' is to dissuade
us from doing what we want to do rather than to facilitate it.
if we get alot of 'talking to' by supposed friends or those who
want to try to 'save' us, this should indicate to us that we
are selecting the wrong people to trust with our private affairs.
in the medium and longer term, it's more important to seek help
from those who know about methods and the quickness and painless-
ness of these methods. if suicide is the means by which we have
chosen to terminate the pain and drain of our lives, then looking
seriously at practical means of bringing an end to life is the
only real way to approach lasting and permanent resolution, and
there is a Practical Guide to assist you:
http://www.satanservice.org/coe/suicide/guide/
church members may vary as to the nature of the assistance they
have in mind (geography may also to some extent direct what can
be said or to whom).
in general the suicidal would be able to call us and receive
up-to-date information on the best methods of self-termination
and, given their circumstances (perhaps described in an hypo-
thetical manner), how they would best approach suicide in a
context that's less threatening than a face-to-face session.
talking the situation over with a caring, independent person
can be of great assistance to those who are being judged by the
world as 'wrong' for their natural urges. eventually we may
see legislation which makes self-termination in certain areas
a matter of choice. in this case we could offer recommendations
for relocation prior to doing oneself in.
telephone services are currently prohibited to us by virtue of
being owned by mega-corporations subject to greater social
pressure. the procreationist mentality is having its way with
limiting the freedoms of at least US citizens and this may
continue for the foreseeable future.
we hope people that read this will one day attempt suicide,
and the greatest danger presently is not so much in providing
information to the waiting public as much as in taking an
active hand in the event or somehow coercing another. it is
generally advisable to be informed as to the local suicide laws
and liability issues regarding advice to others. these can
often be determined by contacting suicide prevention lines,
or public and legal reference librarians. be careful, since
some states require reporting of those who appear to be
considering suicide in some way.
suicide can be extremely traumatic for the friends and family
members that remain to degrade and consume what's left of the
planet, especially because most of us are deluded by outdated
and demonstrably false metaphysical and cosmological notions
associated with intrusive and perverted religions.
sometimes the people that attempt suicide think that no one
cares about us. this can be used as a point of manipulation
by the unscrupulous to hook into the guilt of the suicidal in
order to prevent us from trying to self-terminate. often in
modern society the atmosphere and social establishment has in
essence deadened people to a point where real concern is just
not possible.
in order to keep its slaves and workers in line, social systems
typically build guilt into the educational and moral system. some
sort of emotional-entanglement is instructed as a response to
the suicide of a family member or friend. "I should have known
and done something!", proclaim the deluded. it is probably
the best thing that can happen to a family to experience the
trauma and devastation of a suicide in that it begins to
inspire GENUINE feelings, REAL intimacy (when not just trying
to avoid a repeat on the part of another due to the lack of
real love in the family). it may also, if the suicide is well-
constructed, cause us as remaining parasites to look more closely
at WHY it was that suicide seemed like a rational alternative
to the nightmare which we are all participating in perpetuating.
this is the reason that we suggest that you become a member of
the Church of Euthanasia (coe@netcom.com) by paying $10 and taking
a lifetime vow not to procreate, sign the Registry prior to
your self-termination, and mention us in your will or suicide note.
survivors often find that people relate differently to them
after the suicide, and may be very reluctant to talk about what
has happened for fear of condemnation. this is usually the
repercussion of the sordid and immature relationship that the
surrounding culture has fostered about the discussion not only
of suicide, but of death in general, which has been turned into
a taboo. these people are encouraged to feel like failures. that
someone they imagine they cared so much about has chosen to end
their life may give them incentive to be fearful of forming new
relationships because of the intense pain they have experienced
through the relationship with the person who has killed themself.
sometimes chains of suicides can occur in families due to this
twisted social illness, and we think it is a natural minefield
designed to assist our planet move towards recovery.
attempting suicide may be illegal, but this should make no
difference to those who are certain that it is our time to
die. you can't legislate against emotional pain, so making it
illegal will not stop people from feeling suicidal. it is
actually quite helpful in isolating the awakened, though it
should be noticed that, unfortunately, the vast majority of
attempts are unsuccessful, partially due to lack of basic
information and social antagonism toward this heroic act.
in some countries and states it is still illegal, in other
places it's not. we recommend moving to those places where
attempted suicide is legal before proceeding with the act,
just in case you don't succeed. also be aware of the likely
repercussions of any kind of unsuccessful suicide attempt.
even though suicide itself is legal in the US, for example,
those who attempt it unsuccessfully may have many of their
liberties removed and may be drugged into conformity with
social norms by the psychiatric community (for 'observation').
each of us is responsible for our own actions and life
choices. an individual *should* have the right to do as
one wishes with one's life, including to end it if we so
desire, even if societies legislate against it. Western
societies in particular tend to emphasise individual
rights over communal rights and responsibilities, though
this seldom extends to that which will in some measure
serve to debilitate or undermine the societal, procreative
force presumed to keep a community in place.
it is of course true that every person also exists as part
of a larger network of relationships of various types
which forms a context in which an individual's rights and
responsibilities are described. those of us who feel lonely,
isolated, distressed and hopeless about our future can
find it extremely difficult to find someone of unbiased
character with whom to resolve the important decision as to
whether or not to self-terminate. this often causes us
to grossly underestimate both the value of suicide to the
biosphere and the degree of freedom which we truly have
in determining how to end our lives when we choose.
discussions regarding rights can become emotional and rather
lack for logical substance. practically, we have the rights
which a society protects for our benefit. it is to all our
advantage to work toward a greater number of rights as these
concern our own body, life and integrity and the DESTRUCTION
of these as we so dictate.
ultimately, helping people to understand the practical and
legal limitations we are working with in discussing the
possibility of suicide so that those of us who are called might
deal with the obstacles more effectively, see our options
more clearly, and make better choices for ourselves and the
planet, empowers people much more valuably than attempting
to philosophize about whether someone has the 'right to die'.
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Footnote
1. "Hearing the cry: Suicide Prevention", Appleby and
Condonis, 1990. ISBN 0-646-02395-0
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Special Credit
some great degree of inspiration and goad was obtained in
reflection of the 'Suicide Prevention FAQ', posted to Usenet
by Graham Stoney (greyham@research.canon.com.au). small
bits of regurgitation may remain in this copy.
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