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From: Jessie Kleefstra <kleefstr@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA>
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Subject: Pine 4.21 & Solaris 7
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I sent the message below, but didn't receive an answer. Does anyone have
any ideas. This is really becoming a problem.
--------

		
Has anyone experienced this problem and maybe have a hint as to what the
fix may be? We are running Pine 4.21 with Solaris 7. We have installed the
recommended patches. We see this happening on low to medium load.  The
error in Pine is 'formatting scroll text   80%' (the percentage is not
always the same). Pine then freezes. You could be in Pine doing anything
when the error occurs. It seems to be happening more frequently and
frequently, especially seeming to happen at a lower load. 

		
Our analyst has done a Truss and this is what he is seeing.
The symptoms are similar in that the functions called are the same
but the address arguments are different. The return values are the same
except for time (of course). He is attempting to rule out hardware
problems. Below is an example of the output from Truss. Any ideas?

		
Script started on Tue Apr 18 09:28:00 2000
mcmail# truss -p 8016
    Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
time()						= 956064507
sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
alarm(1)					= 0
setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
    Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
time()						= 956064508
sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
alarm(1)					= 0
setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
    Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
time()						= 956064509
sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
alarm(1)					= 0
setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
    Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
time()						= 956064510
sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
alarm(1)					= 0
setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
    Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
time()						= 956064511
sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
alarm(1)					= 0
setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)	(sleeping...)
    Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
time()						= 956064512
sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
alarm(1)					= 0

		

		
Ad nauseum

		
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Hmm, we're running Pine 4.21 on an older system, (SunOS 4.1.4) without any
problems.  Have you installed the Maintenance Update 4, and all
Recommended and Security and Y2K patches for Solaris 7?  That usually
fixes all of my problems with Solaris 7.  Also, did you pick up the
pre-compiled binary of pine, or did you compile it yourself?

		
Robert

		
On Mon, 1 May 2000, Jessie Kleefstra wrote:

		
> 
> I sent the message below, but didn't receive an answer. Does anyone have
> any ideas. This is really becoming a problem.
> --------
> 
> Has anyone experienced this problem and maybe have a hint as to what the
> fix may be? We are running Pine 4.21 with Solaris 7. We have installed the
> recommended patches. We see this happening on low to medium load.  The
> error in Pine is 'formatting scroll text   80%' (the percentage is not
> always the same). Pine then freezes. You could be in Pine doing anything
> when the error occurs. It seems to be happening more frequently and
> frequently, especially seeming to happen at a lower load. 
> 
> Our analyst has done a Truss and this is what he is seeing.
> The symptoms are similar in that the functions called are the same
> but the address arguments are different. The return values are the same
> except for time (of course). He is attempting to rule out hardware
> problems. Below is an example of the output from Truss. Any ideas?
> 
> Script started on Tue Apr 18 09:28:00 2000
> mcmail# truss -p 8016
>     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> time()						= 956064507
> sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> alarm(1)					= 0
> setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
>     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> time()						= 956064508
> sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> alarm(1)					= 0
> setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
>     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> time()						= 956064509
> sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> alarm(1)					= 0
> setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
>     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> time()						= 956064510
> sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> alarm(1)					= 0
> setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
>     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> time()						= 956064511
> sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> alarm(1)					= 0
> setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
> poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)	(sleeping...)
>     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> time()						= 956064512
> sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> alarm(1)					= 0
> 
> 
> Ad nauseum
> 
>  -----
> Jessie Kleefstra                      E-Mail: kleefstr@mcmaster.ca
> Sr. Consultant, Helpdesk Services     Phone: (905) 525-9140  ext.  24357        
> Computing & Information Services      Fax: (905) 528-3773
> ABB-132
> McMaster University                 
> 
> 
> 
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`			USC Law School Computing Services	      `
`			rlarmon@law.usc.edu			      `
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We are current with all of our updates. We used Sun's C compiler
(ver.4.2) to build Pine. Pine was running fine for about 2 months. The
problem seemed to start when our load went down. Any ideas?

		
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Jessie Kleefstra                      E-Mail: kleefstr@mcmaster.ca

		

		
On Mon, 1 May 2000, Robert Larmon wrote:

		
> 
> Hmm, we're running Pine 4.21 on an older system, (SunOS 4.1.4) without any
> problems.  Have you installed the Maintenance Update 4, and all
> Recommended and Security and Y2K patches for Solaris 7?  That usually
> fixes all of my problems with Solaris 7.  Also, did you pick up the
> pre-compiled binary of pine, or did you compile it yourself?
> 
> Robert
> 
> On Mon, 1 May 2000, Jessie Kleefstra wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I sent the message below, but didn't receive an answer. Does anyone have
> > any ideas. This is really becoming a problem.
> > --------
> > 
> > Has anyone experienced this problem and maybe have a hint as to what the
> > fix may be? We are running Pine 4.21 with Solaris 7. We have installed the
> > recommended patches. We see this happening on low to medium load.  The
> > error in Pine is 'formatting scroll text   80%' (the percentage is not
> > always the same). Pine then freezes. You could be in Pine doing anything
> > when the error occurs. It seems to be happening more frequently and
> > frequently, especially seeming to happen at a lower load. 
> > 
> > Our analyst has done a Truss and this is what he is seeing.
> > The symptoms are similar in that the functions called are the same
> > but the address arguments are different. The return values are the same
> > except for time (of course). He is attempting to rule out hardware
> > problems. Below is an example of the output from Truss. Any ideas?
> > 
> > Script started on Tue Apr 18 09:28:00 2000
> > mcmail# truss -p 8016
> >     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> > poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> > time()						= 956064507
> > sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> > alarm(1)					= 0
> > setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
> >     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> > poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> > time()						= 956064508
> > sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> > alarm(1)					= 0
> > setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
> >     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> > poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> > time()						= 956064509
> > sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> > alarm(1)					= 0
> > setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
> >     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> > poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> > time()						= 956064510
> > sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> > alarm(1)					= 0
> > setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
> >     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> > poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> > time()						= 956064511
> > sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> > alarm(1)					= 0
> > setcontext(0xFFBE8370)
> > poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)	(sleeping...)
> >     Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
> > poll(0xFFBE8714, 1, 5000)			Err#91 ERESTART
> > time()						= 956064512
> > sigaction(SIGALRM, 0xFFBE7FA0, 0xFFBE80C4)	= 0
> > alarm(1)					= 0
> > 
> > 
> > Ad nauseum
> > 
> >  -----
> > Jessie Kleefstra                      E-Mail: kleefstr@mcmaster.ca
> > Sr. Consultant, Helpdesk Services     Phone: (905) 525-9140  ext.  24357        
> > Computing & Information Services      Fax: (905) 528-3773
> > ABB-132
> > McMaster University                 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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> `			Robert Larmon				      `
> `			PC Systems Analyst			      `
> `			USC Law School Computing Services	      `
> `			rlarmon@law.usc.edu			      `
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Hello -

		
I love Pine.  What else can I say but that I have been having a ball with
Pine.  I am a newbie to Linux and I am running RH.  I configured Pine for
newsgroups, and subscribed to a Linux newsgroup to test it out.  Worked
great.  I have a question....is there a way to delete ALL messages in a
newsgroup without have to do them one by one?  This seems to be a slow
process.

		
Thanks,

		
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Check enable-aggregate-command-set in Setup, Config, and then use ; to
select, A to select All, A to apply a command, and D to apply the Delete
command.

		
You might also look at news-offers-catchup-on-close or whatever it's
called.

		
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On Tue, 2 May 2000, hermit wrote:

		
> Hello -
> 
> I love Pine.  What else can I say but that I have been having a ball with
> Pine.  I am a newbie to Linux and I am running RH.  I configured Pine for
> newsgroups, and subscribed to a Linux newsgroup to test it out.  Worked
> great.  I have a question....is there a way to delete ALL messages in a
> newsgroup without have to do them one by one?  This seems to be a slow
> process.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dick Williams
> 
> -- 
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Scott -

		
I want to thank you, Sir, for taking the time to offer your assistance.
Your response worked perfectly!  Gotta love this Pine!  

		
Best regards,

		
Dick

		
On Tue, 2 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

		
> Check enable-aggregate-command-set in Setup, Config, and then use ; to
> select, A to select All, A to apply a command, and D to apply the Delete
> command.
> 
> You might also look at news-offers-catchup-on-close or whatever it's
> called.
> 
> -- 
> Scott Leibrand
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> http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
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> 
> On Tue, 2 May 2000, hermit wrote:
> 
> > Hello -
> > 
> > I love Pine.  What else can I say but that I have been having a ball with
> > Pine.  I am a newbie to Linux and I am running RH.  I configured Pine for
> > newsgroups, and subscribed to a Linux newsgroup to test it out.  Worked
> > great.  I have a question....is there a way to delete ALL messages in a
> > newsgroup without have to do them one by one?  This seems to be a slow
> > process.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Dick Williams
> > 
> > -- 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> 

		

		
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Has anyone tried converting the addressbook to ldap format?  I could
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On Mon, 1 May 2000, Jessie Kleefstra is thought to have said:

		
> Has anyone experienced this problem and maybe have a hint as to what the
> fix may be? We are running Pine 4.21 with Solaris 7. We have installed the
> recommended patches. We see this happening on low to medium load.  The
> error in Pine is 'formatting scroll text   80%' (the percentage is not
> always the same). Pine then freezes. You could be in Pine doing anything
> when the error occurs. It seems to be happening more frequently and
> frequently, especially seeming to happen at a lower load. 
[snip]

		
Doing *anything*, or going to the ListFolders menu?  I had a similar
problem before, but it only occurred on the ListFolders menu, and it
didn't freeze forever.  I found out that if I got rid of the non-local
news server, and set it to:

		
nntp-server=

		
Then the problem went away.  Perhaps something similar?  Maybe try a clean
.pinerc file?

		
I don't know what your problem is, just typing out loud.  Hope some of it
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I'm sorry about the misstakes in my previous post.  What I meant to say
was: how do I tell pine to filter out all posts from a certain
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On May 4, 2000 at 04:55, aaa@netcom.com wrote:

		
>I'm sorry about the misstakes in my previous post.  What I meant to say
>was: how do I tell pine to filter out all posts from a certain
>address.  thanks andy

		
That's a job for procmail.

		
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On Thu, 4 May 2000, Satya wrote:

		
> On May 4, 2000 at 04:55, aaa@netcom.com wrote:
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> >I'm sorry about the misstakes in my previous post.  What I meant to say
> >was: how do I tell pine to filter out all posts from a certain
> >address.  thanks andy
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> That's a job for procmail.

		
True - procmail would do a better job.  But you can do it with Pine 4.21.  
Go to Main, Setup, Rules, Filters and use the online help if you need it.

		
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Right ... it was only a job for Procmail prior to the most current version
of Pine.  I'm currently doing just what Arsa wants done and it works
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I occasionally use PCPine as a POP client to retrieve email from my ISP at
home (yeah, it's @Home).  This has the beneficial effect of preventing any
viri or whatever from launching when I try to delete the spam and assorted
crud that comes through.

		
However, I was wondering...  I know where my mail is when I use an imap
client - where does the mail go (ie, what folder, if any) when it's
downloaded from a POP server?  If I don't delete the messages from my
inbox, where do they exist on my PC?  Or do they exist anywhere at all
(other than in memory)?

		
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On Thu, 4 May 2000, Cliff Green wrote:

		
<snip> 

		
> However, I was wondering...  I know where my mail is when I use an imap
> client - where does the mail go (ie, what folder, if any) when it's
> downloaded from a POP server?  If I don't delete the messages from my
> inbox, where do they exist on my PC?  Or do they exist anywhere at all
> (other than in memory)?

		
in your inbox still.  pop3 and imap are necessarily different folder
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PCPine works as a pop client?!

		
> > client - where does the mail go (ie, what folder, if any) when it's
> > downloaded from a POP server?

		
With a pop3 mail client your PC downloads the messages from the
inbox on the mail server to your inbox (how it's stored depends on
the client) on your hard-drive.  An IMAP client (pine as I know how to use
it) lets you peek into the inbox on the mail server itself, w/o copying 
the messages locally.

		
Steve

		
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On Fri, 5 May 2000, Stephen Clay wrote:

		
> > > client - where does the mail go (ie, what folder, if any) when it's
> > > downloaded from a POP server?
> 
> With a pop3 mail client your PC downloads the messages from the
> inbox on the mail server to your inbox (how it's stored depends on

		
That depends somewhat on how your mail reader is configured.  I have my
Outlook express set up to leave a copy of the message on the server so
that it is still available for me to read on my work UNIX computer using
Pine.

		
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Here's the situation:

		
 1. Viewing empty INBOX
 2. Press <tab> to get new messages
 3. One new message; appears a little bit "lower" on-screen than it should
 4. Press <dnarrow> to look it and...
 5. Pine dies with 'Problem detected: "Bad msgno 0 in mail_elt, nmsgs = 
1".'

		
The reason I gave it the subject shown above is because I did a bit of
searching in the pine-info archive and found that a similar problem was
also shown in a MUCH earlier version of pine with a completely different
OS, WM, Terminal Emulator, and version of pine (old:FreeBSD 2.2.7,
unknown, unknown, 4.03; mine:Linux 2.2.14 [Red Hat 6.2], Enlightment
0.16.3, Gnome Terminal 1.0.55, 4.21). The only things common between the
two is the X server (old: XFree86 unknown; mine:XFree86 3.3.6), and the
architecture (x86). It also doesn't happen on the console. Is this
duplicatable by anyone else? If so, is it fixable?

		
FYI, here are the archive references:

		
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1998.09/msg00077.html
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1998.09/msg00084.html
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1998.09/msg00085.html
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1998.09/msg00095.html

		
And no, it was having the problem even with
"quell-folder-internal-msg" off; it was off by default.

		
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On Fri, 5 May 2000 pine-info@u.washington.edu wrote:
>On Thu, 4 May 2000, Satya wrote:
>
>> On May 4, 2000 at 04:55, aaa@netcom.com wrote:
>> 
>> >I'm sorry about the misstakes in my previous post.  What I meant to say
>> >was: how do I tell pine to filter out all posts from a certain
>> >address.  thanks andy
>> 
>> That's a job for procmail.
>
>True - procmail would do a better job.  But you can do it with Pine 4.21.  
>Go to Main, Setup, Rules, Filters and use the online help if you need it.
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Hmm, I never really noticed this capability before.

		
The one thing I don't see is a way to check JUST headers, or especially,
just Received headers.

		
For example, I don't think I've ever gotten anything BUT spam from tm.net.my,
so I would theoretically send anything with tm.net.my to a possible-spam
folder.  But to do this I would have to (??) search the whole message which
could be very slow.

		

		
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On Fri, 5 May 2000 mattack@area.com wrote:

		
> Hmm, I never really noticed this capability before.
> 
> The one thing I don't see is a way to check JUST headers, or especially,
> just Received headers.
> 
> For example, I don't think I've ever gotten anything BUT spam from tm.net.my,
> so I would theoretically send anything with tm.net.my to a possible-spam
> folder.  But to do this I would have to (??) search the whole message which
> could be very slow.

		
Which is why you should use a "real" mail-deliver filtering agent instead
of Pine for this job.  That's the standard doctrine from the UW, and I
believe it makes sense:  If there's anything you don't like about Pine's
simple filtering, use a real filtering tool.

		
For an even better (but not free) spam-filtering tool, you could also
route your mail through spamcop.net...

		
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Now that I have Pine up and running (having a ball, btw!), I was looking
at the various advanced commands and came across one that I set.  That is
the *enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon*.  I checked it off, saved, and exited.
Hmmm.....no icon anywhere.  I am using Linux RH 6.1 on a DSL connection so
I am connected 24-7.  Obviously I am doing something not quite right.  I
have Pine up and running in a terminal window.  What should I be looking
for?  Is there another step I apparently ignored?  I have looked and done
searches for this features on the Pine web site, but was unable to find
anything.

		
Thanks for guidance and direction.  It has been VERY helpful before and I
know it will be again.

		
Best regards to all,

		
Dick

		
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This option only applies when you have your window minimized to an icon
and you get new mail.  Is that what you're looking for?

		
I'm not sure if it's supposed to work in Linux, or only over X, but I'm
sure someone else does.  :)

		
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On Fri, 5 May 2000, hermit wrote:

		
> Now that I have Pine up and running (having a ball, btw!), I was looking
> at the various advanced commands and came across one that I set.  That is
> the *enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon*.  I checked it off, saved, and exited.
> Hmmm.....no icon anywhere.  I am using Linux RH 6.1 on a DSL connection so
> I am connected 24-7.  Obviously I am doing something not quite right.  I
> have Pine up and running in a terminal window.  What should I be looking
> for?  Is there another step I apparently ignored?  I have looked and done
> searches for this features on the Pine web site, but was unable to find
> anything.
> 
> Thanks for guidance and direction.  It has been VERY helpful before and I
> know it will be again.
> 
> Best regards to all,
> 
> Dick

		

		
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*** Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote in the pine-info list today:

		
:) Here's the situation:
:) 
:)  1. Viewing empty INBOX
:)  2. Press <tab> to get new messages
:)  3. One new message; appears a little bit "lower" on-screen than it should
:)  4. Press <dnarrow> to look it and...
:)  5. Pine dies with 'Problem detected: "Bad msgno 0 in mail_elt, nmsgs = 
:) 1".'

		
I've had this problem before, I do not know what it is, the funniest thing
I see, I think,  is the title in the top that says "Msg -1 of 1". I have
submitted this bug report to the pine team before, however I've never had
the .pine-debug files available for it, maybe you do and some insight may
be gotten from them

		
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Many of you more experienced Pine users may already know about this, but
I didn't and it's _sooooo_ handy!  I have two separate ISPs, one with a
Unix shell and the other being a standard Windows-type provider.  During
this virus scare, I wanted a way to monitor my Windows-system email from
Unix so that I could purge anything that looked suspicious.  I knew that I
could Telnet into port 110 on my pop3 server over there and do some crude
stuff, but till somebody told me how to use Pine to do it, I never dreamed
it could be this simple.

		
All you do is hit "g" just as you would to get to any folder.  In the
window where you normally enter the folder name, you type something like:

		
{mail_server.domain.com/pop3/user=your_userid}

		
Note the left and right curly brackets/braces.  Substitute the full domain
address for your pop3 server; the "pop3" inside the slashes is
required; and substitute your account userid.  You'll be prompted for the
password.  At this point, you're connected to the remote server and it
looks just like another Pine folder.  Until you quit Pine, you will
remain connected, so to return to the remote folder, just re-enter the
information you did the first time ... no password, since you're still
connected.  I just love this!

		
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Yep.  Isn't Pine great?

		
And if you want to do this kind of thing frequently, you can set up
Incoming Folders and Collection Lists as well.  Pine does a pretty good
job of dealing with multiple accounts once you set it up right.  (That
/user= flag is VERY important, or you'll get login prompts left and
right.)

		
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On Fri, 5 May 2000, Walt Smith wrote:

		
> Many of you more experienced Pine users may already know about this, but
> I didn't and it's _sooooo_ handy!  I have two separate ISPs, one with a
> Unix shell and the other being a standard Windows-type provider.  During
> this virus scare, I wanted a way to monitor my Windows-system email from
> Unix so that I could purge anything that looked suspicious.  I knew that I
> could Telnet into port 110 on my pop3 server over there and do some crude
> stuff, but till somebody told me how to use Pine to do it, I never dreamed
> it could be this simple.
> 
> All you do is hit "g" just as you would to get to any folder.  In the
> window where you normally enter the folder name, you type something like:
> 
> {mail_server.domain.com/pop3/user=your_userid}
> 
> Note the left and right curly brackets/braces.  Substitute the full domain
> address for your pop3 server; the "pop3" inside the slashes is
> required; and substitute your account userid.  You'll be prompted for the
> password.  At this point, you're connected to the remote server and it
> looks just like another Pine folder.  Until you quit Pine, you will
> remain connected, so to return to the remote folder, just re-enter the
> information you did the first time ... no password, since you're still
> connected.  I just love this!
> 
> -- 
> Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
> ka3agm@ns.shellworld.net
> 
> "I'm not a humanitarian, I'm a hell-raiser"
>           - Mother Jones
> 
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On Fri, 5 May 2000, Stephen Clay wrote:

		
SC> PCPine works as a pop client?!
Yup.

		
SC> > > client - where does the mail go (ie, what folder, if any) when it's
SC> > > downloaded from a POP server?
SC> 
SC> With a pop3 mail client your PC downloads the messages from the
SC> inbox on the mail server to your inbox (how it's stored depends on
SC> the client) on your hard-drive.
Right.  But that's to a local inbox.  With Pine, your inbox is remote (or
so it's always been for me using imap).  So where is the mail downloaded
to?

		
SC> An IMAP client (pine as I know how to use it) lets you peek into
SC> the inbox on the mail server itself, w/o copying the messages
SC> locally.
Right.  But the question was about Pine as a POP client.

		
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On Sat, 6 May 2000, Cliff Green wrote:

		
> On Fri, 5 May 2000, Stephen Clay wrote:
> 
> SC> > > client - where does the mail go (ie, what folder, if any) when it's
> SC> > > downloaded from a POP server?
> SC> 
> SC> With a pop3 mail client your PC downloads the messages from the
> SC> inbox on the mail server to your inbox (how it's stored depends on
> SC> the client) on your hard-drive.
>
> Right.  But that's to a local inbox.  With Pine, your inbox is remote (or
> so it's always been for me using imap).  So where is the mail downloaded
> to?

		
If you have PC-Pine set up using the /pop3 flag, then I'm pretty sure mail
is only stored in memory while you're connected to your POP3 server.  It's
not really downloaded at all unless you (s)ave it somewhere.

		
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

		
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Subject: Re: PCPine as a POP client
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On Sat, 6 May 2000, Andy Malato wrote:

		
> > If you have PC-Pine set up using the /pop3 flag, then I'm pretty sure mail
> > is only stored in memory while you're connected to your POP3 server.  It's
> > not really downloaded at all unless you (s)ave it somewhere.
> 
> No, all the mail is downloaded, not just the headers.  It is then stored in 
> the Mail folder just as it would be in UNIX pine.  IMAP is more or less what
> you are thinking of in that sense.
> 
> When you read mail using UNIX pine in most cases you are just pulling the
> mail from your mailbox file located somewhere on the UNIX box itself, usually
> /var/mail or /var/spool/mail.  Your mail is then copied to individual folders
> located in the Mail folder of your home directory created by PINE when
> executed for the first time on a new user account.  
> 
> In PC-PINE this is very similar it downloads all the mail to your local
> PC and is stored in subfolders of a folder called Mail.

		
I don't think so.  Here's a test I just did.  Do the same thing (or a
similar test on *nix, and tell me if you still disagree.

		
- Install PC-Pine 4.21.
- Make sure no pinerc file exists.
- Open PC-Pine (pine.exe).
- When presented with a dialog box stating that Pine is "Creating
subdirectory "C:\mail" where Pine will store its mail folders.", make note
of the directory and press OK.
- Press Return to "Be Counted!".
- When prompted for "User-id for From address :", enter the login name to
your POP3 server.
- Press enter to save that in the pinerc.
- When prompted for "Personal name for From address :", enter something.
- Press enter to save that in the pinerc.
- When prompted for "Host/domain for From address :", enter any domain
name.
- Press enter to save that in the pinerc.
- When prompted for "SMTP server to forward message :", enter your e-mail 
domain name.
- When prompted "No inbox!  Folder to open as inbox :", enter your POP3
inbox in the form:  {your.pop3.server.com/user=username/pop3}INBOX
- Press enter to save that in the pinerc.
- When prompted to "ENTER PASSWORD:", do so.
- Make sure Pine successfully opens your POP3 INBOX, and open a few
messages just for good measure.
- No open that directory you made note of (i.e. C:\mail) and see if there
is anything there.

		
When I did all that, I found *absolutely nothing* in my c:\mail
folder.  (Yes, I had it set to display all files.)  I only got anything
there if I defined and used a local folder collection.

		
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How do you accomplish this?  When I enabled incoming folders and then
attempted to add my remote pop3 mailbox, after I entered the full path
info, I was given a second prompt with a request to enter a mailbox name
that Pine would attempt to create on the remote server.  I didn't have a
clue what to do at this point, so I bailed out.

		
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*** Walt Smith wrote in the pine-info list today:

		
:) How do you accomplish this?  When I enabled incoming folders and then
:) attempted to add my remote pop3 mailbox, after I entered the full path
:) info, I was given a second prompt with a request to enter a mailbox name
:) that Pine would attempt to create on the remote server. 

		
First add the name of the server, you should add a line like:

		
   name.of.server/pop3/user=your_login_name_in_thaat_server

		
then it will ask you for your folder, try adding: INBOX

		
and finally give nick for it, just write anything you like, this is the
name of the folder that you will see in pine. You can always rename it
afterwards.

		
  I hope this works.

		
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Eduardo -

		
Perfect!  Thanks very much.

		
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On Fri, 5 May 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

		
> *** Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote in the pine-info list today:
> 
> :) Here's the situation:
> :) 
> :)  1. Viewing empty INBOX
> :)  2. Press <tab> to get new messages
> :)  3. One new message; appears a little bit "lower" on-screen than it should
> :)  4. Press <dnarrow> to look it and...
> :)  5. Pine dies with 'Problem detected: "Bad msgno 0 in mail_elt, nmsgs = 
> :) 1".'
> 
> I've had this problem before, I do not know what it is, the funniest thing
> I see, I think,  is the title in the top that says "Msg -1 of 1". I have
> submitted this bug report to the pine team before, however I've never had
> the .pine-debug files available for it, maybe you do and some insight may
> be gotten from them
> 
> 

		
I got this one at debug level 9. Good enough?

		
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Maybe out of the purview of pine users info, but any one know if it is
possible to telnet to an imap server in like manner?

		
Jim

		

		

		
On Fri, 5 May 2000, Walt Smith wrote:

		
|Many of you more experienced Pine users may already know about this, but
|I didn't and it's _sooooo_ handy!  I have two separate ISPs, one with a
|Unix shell and the other being a standard Windows-type provider.  During
|this virus scare, I wanted a way to monitor my Windows-system email from
|Unix so that I could purge anything that looked suspicious.  I knew that I
|could Telnet into port 110 on my pop3 server over there and do some crude
|stuff, but till somebody told me how to use Pine to do it, I never dreamed
|it could be this simple.
|
|All you do is hit "g" just as you would to get to any folder.  In the
|window where you normally enter the folder name, you type something like:
|
|{mail_server.domain.com/pop3/user=3Dyour_userid}
|
|Note the left and right curly brackets/braces.  Substitute the full domain
|address for your pop3 server; the "pop3" inside the slashes is
|required; and substitute your account userid.  You'll be prompted for the
|password.  At this point, you're connected to the remote server and it
|looks just like another Pine folder.  Until you quit Pine, you will
|remain connected, so to return to the remote folder, just re-enter the
|information you did the first time ... no password, since you're still
|connected.  I just love this!
|
|--=20
|Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
|ka3agm@ns.shellworld.net
|
|"I'm not a humanitarian, I'm a hell-raiser"
|          - Mother Jones
|
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Yeah, you can telnet to an IMAP server on port 143, but you have to speak
IMAP to do anything once you get there.  I couldn't even figure out how to
disconnect.  I had to remotely kill my process to get my command prompt
back.  :)

		
Some IMAP servers allow you to telnet in on the normal telnet port, but in
my experience most don't.

		
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On Sat, 6 May 2000, jim worthington wrote:

		
> Maybe out of the purview of pine users info, but any one know if it is
> possible to telnet to an imap server in like manner?
> 
> Jim

		

		
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Greetings.  Apologies if this has already been covered, I've looked
through list archives since 1999/10 and didn't find anything.

		
imapd uses ~ as the home directory while pine uses ~/mail.

		
Unfortunately, we have many, many people who use pine in non-imap mode
as well as a GUI IMAP client.  In 4.10, I modified env_unix.c so homedir
was set to ~/mail.  It was overrideable with an option i added to .imaprc.
This made everybody happy since they would see the same folders with
whatever client they used in whatever mode.

		
But something changed in 4.20/4.21.  My hack now causes pine to look in
~/mail/mail which is bad.  This makes sense since I really shouldn't have
mucked with homedir.  Methinks the 'problem' is that both pine and imapd
call env_init().  My current hack was to add an arg to env_init() so it
knows whether it's being called by pine or imapd.  I know this is bad.
So how do I correctly tell imapd to use ~/mail without creating an .imaprc
in everybody's home dir (which I couldn't even if I wanted to because
there are many hosts we don't have access to) or tell everybody to set the
base dir to mail in their GUI client (which would not be right in the long
run when/if we move to a blackbox mailstore).

		
Merci beaucoup,

		
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On Fri, 5 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
SL> On Sat, 6 May 2000, Cliff Green wrote:
SL> > On Fri, 5 May 2000, Stephen Clay wrote:
[munch]
SL> If you have PC-Pine set up using the /pop3 flag, then I'm pretty sure mail
SL> is only stored in memory while you're connected to your POP3 server.  It's
SL> not really downloaded at all unless you (s)ave it somewhere.
SL> 
SL> Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

		
Nope.  Looks like that's exactly what happens.

		
Checking my pop mail with PCPine, leaves the mail on the
server.  Deleting it with PCPine removes it just fine.  Checking later
with a "regular" popclient (e.g., Communicator) and the mail read by
PCPine shows as unread.  (Cool - the flags on the server aren't reset by
PCPine - this is perfect as far as I'm concerned).  So, looks like Pine
works just fine as a previewer for mail that may be suspect.

		
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It would be nice if number of unread messages in each folder was available
within the folder-list.

		
Does this option already exist?  I've looked at the FAQ and such, but
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Hi !
maybe you heard about the emacs uce feature ?

		
uce stands for unwanted commercial email.

		
juste type something like M-x uce(i don't use emacs) when reading a mail,
and a mail to abuse@..., root@..., postmaster@...,
is generated, explaining this mail (reproduced down) is a commercial email,
that it is a kind of spam, that the sender should be blamed, and so on...

		
could we imagine such a feature in Pine ?

		
bye

		
xavier

		
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Wow.  I didn't realize someone would make that a feature of their mail
reader.  :)

		
Personally, I prefer spamcop.net.  You have to copy and paste the message
(with full headers), but other than that it does the same thing.

		
Perhaps our best bet would be to set up a spamcop-like system that
accepts bounced messages and deals with them automatically...

		
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On Wed, 10 May 2000, Xavier Renaut wrote:

		
> 
> Hi !
> maybe you heard about the emacs uce feature ?
> 
> uce stands for unwanted commercial email.
> 
> juste type something like M-x uce(i don't use emacs) when reading a mail,
> and a mail to abuse@..., root@..., postmaster@...,
> is generated, explaining this mail (reproduced down) is a commercial email,
> that it is a kind of spam, that the sender should be blamed, and so on...
> 
> could we imagine such a feature in Pine ?
> 
> bye
> 
> xavier
> 
> ______________
> xavier@risc.fr 
> 
> 
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From: Martijn Vernooy <tinus@win.tue.nl>
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I'm using Pine 3.96 and I noticed this weird bug:

		
I got a mail with an attachment named 'Microsoft Word.doc'.
I wanted to save it, in order to view it. So I pressed view, and then
save. It gave me the name: 'Microsoft Word.doc'. However I wanted to save
it to the temp dir, so I changed it to '/var/tmp/Microsoft Word.doc'. It
then told me that I wasn't allowed to use spaced, which is stupid, because
I used the filename it suggested. So I removed the space, and pressed
enter. Now it said: 'File saved to /var/tmp/Microsoft Word.doc' i.e. it
didn't save it to the name I chose, but to the name it suggested, even
while it didn't think that filename was ok. (saving files with any
character in them is ok in Unix btw.) I checked, and this does not happen
if you do not prepend a path, saving to the homedirectory.

		
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On Wed, 10 May 2000, Xavier Renaut wrote:

		
> juste type something like M-x uce(i don't use emacs) when reading a mail,
> and a mail to abuse@..., root@..., postmaster@...,
> is generated, explaining this mail (reproduced down) is a commercial email,
> that it is a kind of spam, that the sender should be blamed, and so on...
> 
> could we imagine such a feature in Pine ?

		
I'm using adcomplain to that effect.
adcomplain is a perl script that reads a mail from STDIN and mails a
compaint to the postamaster or to abuse.net.

		
To complain, I use the pipe filtering capability of pine:
'|' to pipe, ^W to filter the raw text and ^Y to interact with the
script.

		
adcomplain is available at <http://www.rdrop.com/users/billmc>

		

		
	dna
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If you turn filtering on, you get a piece of commercial email only once
provided you filter correctly.

		

		
-------------------- jude <jdashiel@clark.net>

		

		

		
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From: Kevin Franken <cukmf4@mail.pen.eiu.edu>
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Hello -

		
University students are trying to save specific messages to a folder which
they want to ftp/download to their PC to save.  However, even though the
messages are sorted chronologically in the folder, they appear NOT in
chronological order once downloaded to a file of their PC.  Why aren't the
messages being downloaded in the way they were sorted (chronologically)?
Perhaps the messages were originally saved in non-chronological order,
and that explains the non-chronological message order once downloaded(?)
Is there a way to download these messages in chronological order?  Or,
must Pine users originally save messages in the order they want to save
the messages?

		
If Pine cannot download messages in a chronological order, are there any
programs that can?

		
Thank you!

		
Kevin Franken

		
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how about:

		
	[$] Sorting the messages in the folder

		
	[;] Selecting [A] All the messages (using Aggregate-Commands)

		
	[E] Exporting the file as a text file.p

		
this will work if your okay working with a text file version of the file,
and not in the pine folder format.

		
aaron

		

		
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*** Kevin Franken wrote in the pine-info list today:

		
:) University students are trying to save specific messages to a folder which
:) they want to ftp/download to their PC to save.  However, even though the
:) messages are sorted chronologically in the folder, they appear NOT in
:) chronological order once downloaded to a file of their PC.  Why aren't the
:) messages being downloaded in the way they were sorted (chronologically)?

		
Whatever be the order in the *INDEX* is not necessarily the order in the
folder. The order in the folder is by default the one in which the
messages in it were saved, which is usually by "arrival" (this is because
this is the order in which the MDA saves them in there), if you need
another sorting type use the $ key to sort the *INDEX*. You can save the
new order in the index to be the sorting method of your folder by using
the agregate operation (press ; a a <folder-to-use-to-save-the messages>
and then rename the second folder to be the first)

		
 I hope this helps.
 
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Hello,
I am having a similar problem to the message link below with IBM3151
terminals and Sco Openserver 5, but could not find any references as to how
to fix it.. e.g.. termcap/terminfo etc..
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1997.10/msg00090.html

		
When I try to run pine from a sco box, it gives this message.
Your terminal, of type ibm3151 is lacking functions needed to run pine.
When run from a Linux box on the same ibm3151 terminal, it runs beautifully.

		
Any information on this would be much appreciated.

		
Thanks!!!
Damon Massey
Hastings Entertainment
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Have you tried something like "setenv TERM vt100" before you run Pine?

		
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On Thu, 11 May 2000, Massey, Damon wrote:

		
> Hello,
> I am having a similar problem to the message link below with IBM3151
> terminals and Sco Openserver 5, but could not find any references as to how
> to fix it.. e.g.. termcap/terminfo etc..
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1997.10/msg00090.html
> 
> When I try to run pine from a sco box, it gives this message.
> Your terminal, of type ibm3151 is lacking functions needed to run pine.
> When run from a Linux box on the same ibm3151 terminal, it runs beautifully.
> 
> Any information on this would be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!!!
> Damon Massey
> Hastings Entertainment
> Helpdesk Programmer
> http://www.gohastings.com
> 
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Your suggestion worked!!  Thank you so much!!  Some friends of mine who
know a lot about computers and Unix said that Pine would not have such a
system in place that would do what I wanted.  I said I doubted that, then
I contacted the pine list.  And you proved them wrong and me right!
Congratulations!!

		
Kevin

		
On Thu, 11 May 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

		
> *** Kevin Franken wrote in the pine-info list today:
> 
> :) University students are trying to save specific messages to a folder which
> :) they want to ftp/download to their PC to save.  However, even though the
> :) messages are sorted chronologically in the folder, they appear NOT in
> :) chronological order once downloaded to a file of their PC.  Why aren't the
> :) messages being downloaded in the way they were sorted (chronologically)?
> 
> Whatever be the order in the *INDEX* is not necessarily the order in the
> folder. The order in the folder is by default the one in which the
> messages in it were saved, which is usually by "arrival" (this is because
> this is the order in which the MDA saves them in there), if you need
> another sorting type use the $ key to sort the *INDEX*. You can save the
> new order in the index to be the sorting method of your folder by using
> the agregate operation (press ; a a <folder-to-use-to-save-the messages>
> and then rename the second folder to be the first)
> 
>  I hope this helps.
>  
> -- 
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

		

		
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Sure have...

		
In SCO with vt100 set, it gives me lots of garbage.
With ibm3151, it just spits out the message that it is lacking functions
needed to run pine.

		
What still baffles me is that it works when I telnet to a linux box in
either vt100 or ibm3151..

		
I still believe that it may be a termcap/terminfo thing...  Or just another
one of those pesky SCO annoyances.. =)

		
Thanks!!!
Damon Massey
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> From:	Scott Leibrand [SMTP:leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:34 PM
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> Have you tried something like "setenv TERM vt100" before you run Pine?
> 
> -- 
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> On Thu, 11 May 2000, Massey, Damon wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > I am having a similar problem to the message link below with IBM3151
> > terminals and Sco Openserver 5, but could not find any references as to
> how
> > to fix it.. e.g.. termcap/terminfo etc..
> > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1997.10/msg00090.html
> > 
> > When I try to run pine from a sco box, it gives this message.
> > Your terminal, of type ibm3151 is lacking functions needed to run pine.
> > When run from a Linux box on the same ibm3151 terminal, it runs
> beautifully.
> > 
> > Any information on this would be much appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks!!!
> > Damon Massey
> > Hastings Entertainment
> > Helpdesk Programmer
> > http://www.gohastings.com
> > 
> > -- 
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Look in your termcap/terminfo and make sure the 3151 is defined.  You
can get the *big* termcap and terminfo at

		
	http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/terminfo/

		
I wouldn't expect much luck telling your system you have a VT100.  Be
content that your 3151 is ASCII.

		
	http://www.cs.utk.edu/~shuford/terminal/ibm.html

		
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I've tried sending this message a few times, perhaps it will get through
this time!

		

		
Dear Pine Users,

		
how do I alter my configuration of pine so that the "sent-mail" folder
actually shows who I sent the mail to? At the moment if just has lists and
list of

		
G.Card@auckland.ac.nz

		
not very helpful when trying to fish out an old email

		
If I copy an old .pinerc from my previous job I can get "sent-mail" to
reflect who I sent mail to. However, in the "reply-to" field that they
get, the address is wrong i.e. gcard@auckland.ac.nz and not
G.Card@auckland.ac.nz

		
Any suggestions of what to do? 

		
Thanks in advance for your help

		
Graeme

		
G.Card@auckland.ac.nz

		

		
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Are "new" sent mails showing up OK, but old ones (sent when you had a
different address) showing up wrong?  If so, just add the old address to
the alt-addresses field in Main, Setup, Config.  If not, and new sent-mail
is having the same problem, then something more serious is going on.

		
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On Fri, 12 May 2000 G.Card@auckland.ac.nz wrote:

		
> I've tried sending this message a few times, perhaps it will get through
> this time!
> 
> 
> Dear Pine Users,
> 
> how do I alter my configuration of pine so that the "sent-mail" folder
> actually shows who I sent the mail to? At the moment if just has lists and
> list of
> 
> G.Card@auckland.ac.nz
> 
> not very helpful when trying to fish out an old email
> 
> If I copy an old .pinerc from my previous job I can get "sent-mail" to
> reflect who I sent mail to. However, in the "reply-to" field that they
> get, the address is wrong i.e. gcard@auckland.ac.nz and not
> G.Card@auckland.ac.nz
> 
> Any suggestions of what to do? 
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help
> 
> Graeme
> 
> G.Card@auckland.ac.nz
> 
> 
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Hi,

		
I noticed the same behaviour. As long as I had a from line defined 
with customized-hdrs in .pinerc this defined from-address was shown in
sent-mail. 
When I removed the customized-hdrs definition I could see the sender
addresses again in sent-mail.

		
Check if you also have a from line defined there.

		
I know this only explains the problem but is no solution if you need to use
customized-hdrs.

		
Regards,
Antje

		
On Fri, 12 May 2000 G.Card@auckland.ac.nz wrote:

		
> I've tried sending this message a few times, perhaps it will get through
> this time!
> 
> 
> Dear Pine Users,
> 
> how do I alter my configuration of pine so that the "sent-mail" folder
> actually shows who I sent the mail to? At the moment if just has lists and
> list of
> 
> G.Card@auckland.ac.nz
> 
> not very helpful when trying to fish out an old email
> 
> If I copy an old .pinerc from my previous job I can get "sent-mail" to
> reflect who I sent mail to. However, in the "reply-to" field that they
> get, the address is wrong i.e. gcard@auckland.ac.nz and not
> G.Card@auckland.ac.nz
> 
> Any suggestions of what to do? 
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help
> 
> Graeme
> 
> G.Card@auckland.ac.nz
> 

		

		
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But if you include both the customized from header and put that address in
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On Fri, 12 May 2000, Antje Koschel wrote:

		
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I noticed the same behaviour. As long as I had a from line defined 
> with customized-hdrs in .pinerc this defined from-address was shown in
> sent-mail. 
> When I removed the customized-hdrs definition I could see the sender
> addresses again in sent-mail.
> 
> Check if you also have a from line defined there.
> 
> I know this only explains the problem but is no solution if you need to use
> customized-hdrs.
> 
> Regards,
> Antje
> 
> On Fri, 12 May 2000 G.Card@auckland.ac.nz wrote:
> 
> > I've tried sending this message a few times, perhaps it will get through
> > this time!
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Pine Users,
> > 
> > how do I alter my configuration of pine so that the "sent-mail" folder
> > actually shows who I sent the mail to? At the moment if just has lists and
> > list of
> > 
> > G.Card@auckland.ac.nz
> > 
> > not very helpful when trying to fish out an old email
> > 
> > If I copy an old .pinerc from my previous job I can get "sent-mail" to
> > reflect who I sent mail to. However, in the "reply-to" field that they
> > get, the address is wrong i.e. gcard@auckland.ac.nz and not
> > G.Card@auckland.ac.nz
> > 
> > Any suggestions of what to do? 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for your help
> > 
> > Graeme
> > 
> > G.Card@auckland.ac.nz
> > 
> 
> 

		

		

		

		
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On Fri, 12 May 2000, Kevin Franken wrote:

		
kf> Is there a way to send/transfer a folder (full of msgs) from one Unix
kf> (Pine) email account to another Unix (Pine) email account?  I am familiar
kf> with FTP, but I have only downloaded folders from my email account to my
kf> hard drive - I have not transferred folders from one email account to
kf> another.
kf> 

		
  Well seeing as how the messages are all contained in a text file, you
can simply copy the file to another system and try to view it with the
mailer on that system. It should do what needs to be done to make it
viewable, be it netscape, pine, mutt or what have you.
  I've done it that way myself a number of times without any problems and
if a problem does popup, you still have the original on the first system.

		
kf> Thanks!
kf> 
kf> KF
kf> 
kf> 
kf> 

		
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On Fri, 12 May 2000, S.Toms wrote:

		
> On Fri, 12 May 2000, Kevin Franken wrote:
> 
> kf> Is there a way to send/transfer a folder (full of msgs) from one Unix
> kf> (Pine) email account to another Unix (Pine) email account?  I am familiar
> kf> with FTP, but I have only downloaded folders from my email account to my
> kf> hard drive - I have not transferred folders from one email account to
> kf> another.
> kf> 
> 
>   Well seeing as how the messages are all contained in a text file, you
> can simply copy the file to another system and try to view it with the
> mailer on that system. It should do what needs to be done to make it
> viewable, be it netscape, pine, mutt or what have you.
>   I've done it that way myself a number of times without any problems and
> if a problem does popup, you still have the original on the first system.

		
How?  Are you referring to FTP?  I want to save the Unix/Pine format of
the folders and messages - I want the messages to remain as they are in my
first Unix/Pine account - I don't want to lump them all together into one
VERY long text file.  I want the format of both folders to be the same -
the original and the copy.  I want to "forward" or send a Unix/Pine folder
from one email account to another.  Is this possible via Unix/Pine email?  

		
KF

		

		
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On Sat, 13 May 2000, Kevin Franken wrote:

		
kf> On Fri, 12 May 2000, S.Toms wrote:
kf> 
kf> > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Kevin Franken wrote:
kf> > 
kf> > kf> Is there a way to send/transfer a folder (full of msgs) from one Unix
kf> > kf> (Pine) email account to another Unix (Pine) email account?  I am familiar
kf> > kf> with FTP, but I have only downloaded folders from my email account to my
kf> > kf> hard drive - I have not transferred folders from one email account to
kf> > kf> another.
kf> > kf> 
kf> > 

		
  Yep, you can FTP it or if it's on the same network with an NFS
connection you can simply cp it to the new destination. It will retain
which messages have been read and which havn't, You shouldn't notice a
difference. (At least this was the case with pine and mutt)
  Quick question, when you you refer to a folder full of messages, you are
referring to something like the Inbox, Sent, save-messages type folders,
right? In which case those are text files, their not really folders except
to the program viewing them, ie: pine, mutt, netscape, etc.. but the
system it self sees simply a text file which contains all the messages.

		
kf> >   Well seeing as how the messages are all contained in a text file, you
kf> > can simply copy the file to another system and try to view it with the
kf> > mailer on that system. It should do what needs to be done to make it
kf> > viewable, be it netscape, pine, mutt or what have you.
kf> >   I've done it that way myself a number of times without any problems and
kf> > if a problem does popup, you still have the original on the first system.
kf> 
kf> How?  Are you referring to FTP?  I want to save the Unix/Pine format of
kf> the folders and messages - I want the messages to remain as they are in my
kf> first Unix/Pine account - I don't want to lump them all together into one
kf> VERY long text file.  I want the format of both folders to be the same -
kf> the original and the copy.  I want to "forward" or send a Unix/Pine folder
kf> from one email account to another.  Is this possible via Unix/Pine email?  
kf> 
kf> KF
kf> 
kf> 

		
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On May 13, 2000 at 02:20, Kevin Franken wrote:

		
>How?  Are you referring to FTP?  I want to save the Unix/Pine format of
>the folders and messages - I want the messages to remain as they are in my
>first Unix/Pine account - I don't want to lump them all together into one
>VERY long text file.  I want the format of both folders to be the same -
>the original and the copy.  I want to "forward" or send a Unix/Pine folder
>from one email account to another.  Is this possible via Unix/Pine email?  

		
There is a file in your $HOME/mail directory. This file has the same name
as the folder you are trying to copy. Copy[0] the file to wherever the
other account keeps its mail. That's all.

		

		
[0] or FTP or mail or whatever. It's a file, for Bob's sake.

		
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Thank you for your suggestions.  Yes, FTP did work in transfering the
folder with its msgs to another Unix/Pine account, preserving everything
like I wanted.  I was pleasantly surprised.

		
K

		

		

		

		
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Hi,
 
I just want to get my X Windows mouse copy-an-paste buffer to be put
_as_is_ in the mail composer, i.e. pico. it always performs this damned
implicit justify operation right after i click the middle mouse button.

		
how can i turn this off? 

		
(using 'pine -w' as alternate non-wrapping editor doesn't work...and
i just can't find a switch to toggle justify behavior or prevent
justify - right now i'm using emacs as alternative editor anytime i
want to copy-and-post something in a composed email == annoying)

		
thanks, michael

		
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On May 14, 2000 at 00:06, Michael Schmitt wrote:

		
>I just want to get my X Windows mouse copy-an-paste buffer to be put
>_as_is_ in the mail composer, i.e. pico. it always performs this damned
>implicit justify operation right after i click the middle mouse button.
>
>how can i turn this off? 
>
>(using 'pine -w' as alternate non-wrapping editor doesn't work...and

		
pico -w works.

		
>i just can't find a switch to toggle justify behavior or prevent
>justify - right now i'm using emacs as alternative editor anytime i
>want to copy-and-post something in a composed email == annoying)

		
Ah. Well, then, you may not want to do it with pico.

		
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I've just moved from one Unix system to another.  What I do is establish a
binary FTP connection between the two systems and then transfer the files
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On Sun, 14 May 2000, Satya wrote:

		
> On May 14, 2000 at 00:06, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> 
> >I just want to get my X Windows mouse copy-an-paste buffer to be put
> >_as_is_ in the mail composer, i.e. pico. it always performs this damned
> >implicit justify operation right after i click the middle mouse button.
> >
> >how can i turn this off? 
> >
> >(using 'pine -w' as alternate non-wrapping editor doesn't work...and
> 
> pico -w works.

		
let me rephrase that: 'pico -w' works for non-wrapping while
typing...but not for non-justifying/wrapping when pasting. try it.

		

		
> >i just can't find a switch to toggle justify behavior or prevent
> >justify - right now i'm using emacs as alternative editor anytime i
> >want to copy-and-post something in a composed email == annoying)
> 
> Ah. Well, then, you may not want to do it with pico.

		
great. my point was that this is annoying to always have to go to the
alternate editor explicitly when i want to paste something in an email
...and setting the config switch "enable-alternate-editor-implicitly"
doesn't work properly for me (tried that with emacs, everytime i
save&quit an emacs composition it doesn't return to pine but opens
another emacs...btw, i'm using pine v4.21 on solaris and linux)

		
so, to make my question more general: is there any _convenient_ way to
do proper middle-mousebutton-pasting with pine??

		

		
thanks for any help, michael

		

		
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From: "Jacob Morzinski" <jmorzins@MIT.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Howto prevent justify operation when pasting with mouse in pine/pico? 
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On Sun, 14 May 2000, Michael Schmitt <schmittm@cs.ucsb.edu> wrote:
>let me rephrase that: 'pico -w' works for non-wrapping while
>typing...but not for non-justifying/wrapping when pasting. try it.
[...]
>another emacs...btw, i'm using pine v4.21 on solaris and linux)

		
I'm surprised, because when I run "pico -w" on linux or netbsd or
irix or solaris, I am able to paste the line:

		
/var/tmp/jmorzins/todo/tcl8.3.1/unix/configure --prefix=/var/tmp/jmorzins/tcl --exec-prefix=/var/tmp/jmorzins/tcl/arch/$ATHENA_SYS --enable-gcc

		
in to the editor without suffering any word wrapping.  I'm using the
pico that came with pine4.21, which is pico version 3.7.  I can paste
either in the version that I compiled myself, or in the binary version
that I download from the distrubution site.
   ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin/pico-bin.solaris

		
(I simply downloaded it, chmod'd it to 755, and ran ./pico-bin.solaris -w)

		
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On Sun, 14 May 2000, Jacob Morzinski wrote:

		
> On Sun, 14 May 2000, Michael Schmitt <schmittm@cs.ucsb.edu> wrote:
> >
> >let me rephrase that: 'pico -w' works for non-wrapping while
> >typing...but not for non-justifying/wrapping when pasting. try it.
> [...]
> >another emacs...btw, i'm using pine v4.21 on solaris and linux)
> 
> I'm surprised, because when I run "pico -w" on linux or netbsd or
> irix or solaris, I am able to paste the line:
> 
> /var/tmp/jmorzins/todo/tcl8.3.1/unix/configure --prefix=/var/tmp/jmorzins/tcl --exec-prefix=/var/tmp/jmorzins/tcl/arch/$ATHENA_SYS --enable-gcc

		
yes, you're right. however, this only works if you just paste one line -
then 'pico -w' turns off auto-wrapping like it's supposed to.

		
but if you try to paste mulitple lines (e.g., my .sig below) it performs
this damned justify operation no matter if 'pico' or 'pico -w'.

		
i kind of vaguely remember that (much) older versions of pico/pine
didn't do this annoying thing to me...

		
Michael

		
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From: Faheem Mitha <faheem@email.unc.edu>
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Dear Pine people,

		
This message appears to me to be sufficiently technical to qualify for
submission to this list. I hope you agree.

		
I was fiddling with the color options in Pine (system is Linux, SuSE
6.2 to be precise, and Pine is version 4.21.  Pine has an option in
the "kolor" menu to force-ansi-16color. However, this does not seem to
work with rxvt, which is my usual terminal. Note that the following
options in the KOLOR menu:
use-termdef, force-ansi-8color, force-ansi-16color

		
all give 8 bit color (ie the same thing).

		
I don't think the problem is that my version of rxvt has been compiled
without support for 16 bit color, because it seems to work with slrn, for
example. Ie. I can get bright yellow with slrn but not with Pine.

		
However, 16 bit color seems to work fine for xterm. How can I make it work
for rxvt?

		
I am not enthusiastic about having to recompile something, and would
like to know if there are any less drastic methods (fiddling with a
config file, for example) that would do the trick.

		
                                      Sincerely, Faheem Mitha.

		
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Hi folks,
	I have been experiencing problems with re-logging in after a PC
crash.  Apparently, PC-Pine can't close the IMAP connection of the
previous login.  Any way to change that behaviour?  Pine 4.21 on my Sun
box seems to kill it fine, but PC-Pine doesn't.  Suggestions are welcome.

		
Thanks,

		
Robert

		

		
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Subject: sendmail and pine giving me an annoying problem
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Hi all

		
	This is being cross-posted to several lists. Sorry for any
inconvenience.
	Well, sendmail and pine aren't getting along well on this system,
and I don't understand why. It was working fine until last week, when it
started acting odd. First, typing "sendmail" at the command prompt results
in it accepting input from stdin, this is as it should be on this
stem. But, as soon as I start up pine. wham! It stops working, and from
then to a reboot gives me this message:
Can't create transcript file ./xfe4GKbXL00677: Permission denied
Recipient names must be specified
Cannot create ./dfe4GKbXL00677: Permission denied
	The file changes at random, but the message is always about a
transcript file. The recipient name message is in there because of the
transcript file problem. It seems to be pine which triggers it, as even at
the command prompt then, it will now give that message. I had to set pine
to use an smtp server on my ISP, and its slower than sendmail, so I'd like
to get sendmail back up. Anyone know what's happening and more
importantly, how to fix it? I'm not running any network or anything like
that, just a home system with a PPP connection, but sendmail has always
worked before. I know one thing, some permissions are not set correctly,
but I cannot figure out where. One more thing, I'm running linux.

		
Jacob Schmude
mailto:jacobs@ncinter.net
ICQ: 53401220

		
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Jacob,
	What versions of Pine and Sendmail are you running.

		
Robert

		
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jacob Schmude wrote:

		
> Hi all
> 
> 	This is being cross-posted to several lists. Sorry for any
> inconvenience.
> 	Well, sendmail and pine aren't getting along well on this system,
> and I don't understand why. It was working fine until last week, when it
> started acting odd. First, typing "sendmail" at the command prompt results
> in it accepting input from stdin, this is as it should be on this
> stem. But, as soon as I start up pine. wham! It stops working, and from
> then to a reboot gives me this message:
> Can't create transcript file ./xfe4GKbXL00677: Permission denied
> Recipient names must be specified
> Cannot create ./dfe4GKbXL00677: Permission denied
> 	The file changes at random, but the message is always about a
> transcript file. The recipient name message is in there because of the
> transcript file problem. It seems to be pine which triggers it, as even at
> the command prompt then, it will now give that message. I had to set pine
> to use an smtp server on my ISP, and its slower than sendmail, so I'd like
> to get sendmail back up. Anyone know what's happening and more
> importantly, how to fix it? I'm not running any network or anything like
> that, just a home system with a PPP connection, but sendmail has always
> worked before. I know one thing, some permissions are not set correctly,
> but I cannot figure out where. One more thing, I'm running linux.
> 
> Jacob Schmude
> mailto:jacobs@ncinter.net
> ICQ: 53401220
> 
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pine 4.21 and sendmail 8.10.1
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Robert Larmon wrote:

		
> 
> Jacob,
> 	What versions of Pine and Sendmail are you running.
> 
> Robert
> 
> On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jacob Schmude wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > 	This is being cross-posted to several lists. Sorry for any
> > inconvenience.
> > 	Well, sendmail and pine aren't getting along well on this system,
> > and I don't understand why. It was working fine until last week, when it
> > started acting odd. First, typing "sendmail" at the command prompt results
> > in it accepting input from stdin, this is as it should be on this
> > stem. But, as soon as I start up pine. wham! It stops working, and from
> > then to a reboot gives me this message:
> > Can't create transcript file ./xfe4GKbXL00677: Permission denied
> > Recipient names must be specified
> > Cannot create ./dfe4GKbXL00677: Permission denied
> > 	The file changes at random, but the message is always about a
> > transcript file. The recipient name message is in there because of the
> > transcript file problem. It seems to be pine which triggers it, as even at
> > the command prompt then, it will now give that message. I had to set pine
> > to use an smtp server on my ISP, and its slower than sendmail, so I'd like
> > to get sendmail back up. Anyone know what's happening and more
> > importantly, how to fix it? I'm not running any network or anything like
> > that, just a home system with a PPP connection, but sendmail has always
> > worked before. I know one thing, some permissions are not set correctly,
> > but I cannot figure out where. One more thing, I'm running linux.
> > 
> > Jacob Schmude
> > mailto:jacobs@ncinter.net
> > ICQ: 53401220
> > 
> > -- 
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> >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
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> 
> 
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Can someone tell me how to add a new folder?  I looked in the config Pine,
and can find no instructions on how to add and name a new folder.  What I
am looking to do is save messages from newsgroups in folders pertaining to
the particular newsgroup.  At present the newsgroup messages are being
saved in a folder with other email messages.

		
Thanks for your help in pointing me in the right direction!

		
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hi,

		
Is s/mime support exists in pine ?
How can I sign/verify or encrypt/decrypt a message... ? How can I choose the
certificate to use ?

		
I'm using pine 4.10 under suse 6.1 (I could easily upgrade to pine 4.21)

		
thx,

		

		
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On Sun, 14 May 2000, Michael Schmitt wrote:

		
> Hi,
>  
> I just want to get my X Windows mouse copy-an-paste buffer to be put
> _as_is_ in the mail composer, i.e. pico. it always performs this damned
> implicit justify operation right after i click the middle mouse button.
> 
> how can i turn this off? 
> 
Perhaps you can try choosing setup and disabling the
'enable-mouse-in-xterm' thing? Cutting and pasting will work just as in
every xterm then. You can't click on the buttons on the bottom of the
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Martijn Vernooij

		

		
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Press l from anywhere in Pine.  If you immediately see your full list of
existing folders, simply press a and enter the folder name.  If you have
multiple folder collections (i.e., Incoming-Folders, Mail, News, etc.),
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On Wed, 17 May 2000, Arnaud De Timmerman wrote:

		
Dear Arnaud,

		
> Is s/mime support exists in pine ?

		
Mime support exists. See internal help. Do you need more details?
What is s?

		
> How can I sign/verify or encrypt/decrypt a message... ? How can I choose the
> certificate to use ?

		
You could use pgp4pine (though there are other alternatives, this one
seems the most developed) and gpg (gnu privacy guard), which is similar to
pgp. Using gpg you can both sign/verify and encrypt/decrypt a message.
Note like pgp this uses the public key/private key system.

		
I have used these with SuSE 6.2 and it seems to work fine. Note that
SuSE-compatible rpms exist for both pgp4pine and gpg. More details
available on request if I am understanding your needs correctly. (Just
email me if interested). I'm not sure what you mean by certificate. (I
don't know much about encryption).
 
> I'm using pine 4.10 under suse 6.1 (I could easily upgrade to pine 4.21)

		
Should work with either of these.
                                           Faheem.

		

		
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Hy,
	I have instaled pine4.20. When i read an unread mesage it makes my
mesage read. Ok that good. But when i exit pine and enter again my mesage
that i red last time now is unread. What can i do..

		
        Best regards,
Seby...

		

		
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Close the other pine session.  Your new pine session is read-only because
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On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:

		
>
>Hy,
>	I have instaled pine4.20. When i read an unread mesage it makes my
>mesage read. Ok that good. But when i exit pine and enter again my mesage
>that i red last time now is unread. What can i do..
>
>        Best regards,
>Seby...
>
>
>---------------			
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>				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
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Upgrade to 4.21.  That's a known bug in 4.20.  Make sure you upgrade any
IMAP stuff that came with Pine, as well.

		
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On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:

		
> 
> Hy,
> 	I have instaled pine4.20. When i read an unread mesage it makes my
> mesage read. Ok that good. But when i exit pine and enter again my mesage
> that i red last time now is unread. What can i do..
> 
>         Best regards,
> Seby...
> 
> 
> ---------------			
> 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> ---------------
> 	When the candles are out all women are fair.
> 		-- Plutarch
> 
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I have only a pine session opened... and with two pine sessions my other
pine crash with core...

		
	
On Wed, 17 May 2000 hayward@slothmud.org wrote:

		
> Close the other pine session.  Your new pine session is read-only because
> of another pine session that is currently running on that mailbox.
> 
> --
> Brian
> 
> On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:
> 
> >
> >Hy,
> >	I have instaled pine4.20. When i read an unread mesage it makes my
> >mesage read. Ok that good. But when i exit pine and enter again my mesage
> >that i red last time now is unread. What can i do..
> >
> >        Best regards,
> >Seby...
> >
> >
> >---------------			
> >			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> >				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> >				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> >---------------
> >	When the candles are out all women are fair.
> >		-- Plutarch
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> 
> 

		
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---------------
	Too Late
	A large number of turkies [sic] went to San Francisco yesterday by
the two o'clock boats.  If their object in going down was to participate in
the Thanksgiving festivities of that city, they would arrive "the day after
the affair," and of course be sadly disappointed thereby.
		-- Sacramento Daily Union, November 29, 1861

		

		
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	Ok but is there a path for maildir for pine4.21 because i use
qmail with maildir ....

		
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> Upgrade to 4.21.  That's a known bug in 4.20.  Make sure you upgrade any
> IMAP stuff that came with Pine, as well.
> 
> -- 
> Scott Leibrand
> leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu            (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
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> 
> On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hy,
> > 	I have instaled pine4.20. When i read an unread mesage it makes my
> > mesage read. Ok that good. But when i exit pine and enter again my mesage
> > that i red last time now is unread. What can i do..
> > 
> >         Best regards,
> > Seby...
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------			
> > 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> > 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> > 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> > ---------------
> > 	When the candles are out all women are fair.
> > 		-- Plutarch
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> 
> 

		
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---------------
	Too Late
	A large number of turkies [sic] went to San Francisco yesterday by
the two o'clock boats.  If their object in going down was to participate in
the Thanksgiving festivities of that city, they would arrive "the day after
the affair," and of course be sadly disappointed thereby.
		-- Sacramento Daily Union, November 29, 1861

		

		
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Is maildir distributed with Pine at www.washington.edu/pine?  I don't
think so, but if it is you can get the updated version there.  If it's not
distributed there, then you shouldn't need to upgrade it.

		
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On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:

		
> 
> 	Ok but is there a path for maildir for pine4.21 because i use
> qmail with maildir ....
> 
> On Wed, 17 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> 
> > Upgrade to 4.21.  That's a known bug in 4.20.  Make sure you upgrade any
> > IMAP stuff that came with Pine, as well.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Scott Leibrand
> > leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu            (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> > http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
> > * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> > * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message.          *
> > 
> > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Hy,
> > > 	I have instaled pine4.20. When i read an unread mesage it makes my
> > > mesage read. Ok that good. But when i exit pine and enter again my mesage
> > > that i red last time now is unread. What can i do..
> > > 
> > >         Best regards,
> > > Seby...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ---------------			
> > > 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> > > 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> > > 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> > > ---------------
> > > 	When the candles are out all women are fair.
> > > 		-- Plutarch
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >  For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: 
> > >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> ---------------			
> 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> ---------------
> 	Too Late
> 	A large number of turkies [sic] went to San Francisco yesterday by
> the two o'clock boats.  If their object in going down was to participate in
> the Thanksgiving festivities of that city, they would arrive "the day after
> the affair," and of course be sadly disappointed thereby.
> 		-- Sacramento Daily Union, November 29, 1861
> 
> 

		

		
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	OK... thax for the information...
But do you know from were can i get the patch for maildir for pine 4.21 
thx..

		
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

		
> Is maildir distributed with Pine at www.washington.edu/pine?  I don't
> think so, but if it is you can get the updated version there.  If it's not
> distributed there, then you shouldn't need to upgrade it.
> 
> -- 
> Scott Leibrand
> leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu            (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
> * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message.          *
> 
> On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 	Ok but is there a path for maildir for pine4.21 because i use
> > qmail with maildir ....
> > 
> > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> > 
> > > Upgrade to 4.21.  That's a known bug in 4.20.  Make sure you upgrade any
> > > IMAP stuff that came with Pine, as well.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Scott Leibrand
> > > leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu            (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> > > http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
> > > * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> > > * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message.          *
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hy,
> > > > 	I have instaled pine4.20. When i read an unread mesage it makes my
> > > > mesage read. Ok that good. But when i exit pine and enter again my mesage
> > > > that i red last time now is unread. What can i do..
> > > > 
> > > >         Best regards,
> > > > Seby...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ---------------			
> > > > 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> > > > 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> > > > 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> > > > ---------------
> > > > 	When the candles are out all women are fair.
> > > > 		-- Plutarch
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >  For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: 
> > > >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > ---------------			
> > 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> > 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> > 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> > ---------------
> > 	Too Late
> > 	A large number of turkies [sic] went to San Francisco yesterday by
> > the two o'clock boats.  If their object in going down was to participate in
> > the Thanksgiving festivities of that city, they would arrive "the day after
> > the affair," and of course be sadly disappointed thereby.
> > 		-- Sacramento Daily Union, November 29, 1861
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

		
---------------			
			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
---------------
	Too Late
	A large number of turkies [sic] went to San Francisco yesterday by
the two o'clock boats.  If their object in going down was to participate in
the Thanksgiving festivities of that city, they would arrive "the day after
the affair," and of course be sadly disappointed thereby.
		-- Sacramento Daily Union, November 29, 1861

		

		
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To: Pine Discussion Forum <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: About mails...
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I don't know anything about maildir.  Sorry.

		
Try running Pine 4.21 without upgrading maildir.  If it works, great.  If
not, then you can worry about finding a patch.

		
-- 
Scott Leibrand
leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu            (Yes, that is a valid address.)
http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
* RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
* Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message.          *

		
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:

		
> 
> 	OK... thax for the information...
> But do you know from were can i get the patch for maildir for pine 4.21 
> thx..
> 
> On Wed, 17 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> 
> > Is maildir distributed with Pine at www.washington.edu/pine?  I don't
> > think so, but if it is you can get the updated version there.  If it's not
> > distributed there, then you shouldn't need to upgrade it.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Scott Leibrand
> > leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu            (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> > http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
> > * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> > * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message.          *
> > 
> > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 	Ok but is there a path for maildir for pine4.21 because i use
> > > qmail with maildir ....
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Upgrade to 4.21.  That's a known bug in 4.20.  Make sure you upgrade any
> > > > IMAP stuff that came with Pine, as well.
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Scott Leibrand
> > > > leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu            (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> > > > http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
> > > > * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> > > > * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message.          *
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hy,
> > > > > 	I have instaled pine4.20. When i read an unread mesage it makes my
> > > > > mesage read. Ok that good. But when i exit pine and enter again my mesage
> > > > > that i red last time now is unread. What can i do..
> > > > > 
> > > > >         Best regards,
> > > > > Seby...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ---------------			
> > > > > 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> > > > > 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> > > > > 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> > > > > ---------------
> > > > > 	When the candles are out all women are fair.
> > > > > 		-- Plutarch
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >  For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: 
> > > > >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > ---------------			
> > > 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> > > 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> > > 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> > > ---------------
> > > 	Too Late
> > > 	A large number of turkies [sic] went to San Francisco yesterday by
> > > the two o'clock boats.  If their object in going down was to participate in
> > > the Thanksgiving festivities of that city, they would arrive "the day after
> > > the affair," and of course be sadly disappointed thereby.
> > > 		-- Sacramento Daily Union, November 29, 1861
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> ---------------			
> 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> ---------------
> 	Too Late
> 	A large number of turkies [sic] went to San Francisco yesterday by
> the two o'clock boats.  If their object in going down was to participate in
> the Thanksgiving festivities of that city, they would arrive "the day after
> the affair," and of course be sadly disappointed thereby.
> 		-- Sacramento Daily Union, November 29, 1861
> 
> 

		

		
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	In Europe a lot a people use qmail (and qmail works with
maildir) and so i sugest you or the team who makes pine to make a version
of pine with suport for maildir...
	

		
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

		
> I don't know anything about maildir.  Sorry.
> 
> Try running Pine 4.21 without upgrading maildir.  If it works, great.  If
> not, then you can worry about finding a patch.
> 
> -- 
> Scott Leibrand
> leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu            (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
> * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message.          *
> 
> On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 	OK... thax for the information...
> > But do you know from were can i get the patch for maildir for pine 4.21 
> > thx..
> > 
> > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> > 
> > > Is maildir distributed with Pine at www.washington.edu/pine?  I don't
> > > think so, but if it is you can get the updated version there.  If it's not
> > > distributed there, then you shouldn't need to upgrade it.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Scott Leibrand
> > > leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu            (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> > > http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
> > > * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> > > * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message.          *
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 	Ok but is there a path for maildir for pine4.21 because i use
> > > > qmail with maildir ....
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Upgrade to 4.21.  That's a known bug in 4.20.  Make sure you upgrade any
> > > > > IMAP stuff that came with Pine, as well.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > Scott Leibrand
> > > > > leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu            (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> > > > > http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
> > > > > * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> > > > > * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message.          *
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sebastian Ionita wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hy,
> > > > > > 	I have instaled pine4.20. When i read an unread mesage it makes my
> > > > > > mesage read. Ok that good. But when i exit pine and enter again my mesage
> > > > > > that i red last time now is unread. What can i do..
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >         Best regards,
> > > > > > Seby...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ---------------			
> > > > > > 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> > > > > > 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> > > > > > 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > 	When the candles are out all women are fair.
> > > > > > 		-- Plutarch
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >  For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: 
> > > > > >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ---------------			
> > > > 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> > > > 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> > > > 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> > > > ---------------
> > > > 	Too Late
> > > > 	A large number of turkies [sic] went to San Francisco yesterday by
> > > > the two o'clock boats.  If their object in going down was to participate in
> > > > the Thanksgiving festivities of that city, they would arrive "the day after
> > > > the affair," and of course be sadly disappointed thereby.
> > > > 		-- Sacramento Daily Union, November 29, 1861
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > ---------------			
> > 			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
> > 				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
> > 				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
> > ---------------
> > 	Too Late
> > 	A large number of turkies [sic] went to San Francisco yesterday by
> > the two o'clock boats.  If their object in going down was to participate in
> > the Thanksgiving festivities of that city, they would arrive "the day after
> > the affair," and of course be sadly disappointed thereby.
> > 		-- Sacramento Daily Union, November 29, 1861
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

		
---------------			
			-=Ionita Sebastian=-
				http://lcjdap.soroscj/~seby
				E-mail: seby@lcjdap.soroscj.ro
---------------
	Providence, New Jersey, is one of the few cities where Velveeta cheese
appears on the gourmet shelf.

		

		
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From: "Eduardo Chappa L." <chappa@math.washington.edu>
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*** hermit wrote in the pine-info list today:

		
:) Can someone tell me how to add a new folder?  I looked in the config
:) Pine, and can find no instructions on how to add and name a new
:) folder.  What I am looking to do is save messages from newsgroups in
:) folders pertaining to the particular newsgroup.  At present the
:) newsgroup messages are being saved in a folder with other email
:) messages.

		
Just press the letter "S" in the newsgroup folder, you can use ^N/^P to
choose in which collection you are going to save it and enter the name of
the folder you want it o be saved. If the folder does not exist you will
be asked if you want to create the folder, answer yes or no depending on
if you intend this of it was a mistake.

		
There is however no way to have pine to guess the correct folder where you
want to save the message, unless you apply a patch that I wrote, called
"define your own rules and make pine flexible". Once you have applied the
patch just define a rule (in the new-rules configuration file) like this:

		
_FOLDER_ == {name of the newsgroup} -> name of folder you want to save to

		
You can do this for any folder/newsgroup. The saving rule can also be
defined depending on the From, nick, or subject, instead of the folder you
are in. If you are interested get the patch from the address below.

		
  Thanks!

		
-- 
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

		

		
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Anyone have any experience using Pine with Exchange? Maybe even a howto/faq
on the settings within pine that must be set.

		
My user-domain and smtp-server settings are correct.
I can send mail. 
But, I cannot see my inbox nor any folders on the system Exchange server.

		
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

		
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Under configure|setup,
inbox-path: {exchangeserver.my.mail/user=me}

		
Under configure|CollectionLists,
Nickname  : myexchangeserver
Server    : exchangeserver.my.mail
Path      : 
View      : 

		
Works for me.

		
Notes:  Exchange server must allow IMAP.  This might not be default.  Also,
it has an annoying "feature" where it returns an estimate of message length
instead of the real message length.  This option must be turned off.

		
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Timothy Ural wrote:

		
> 
> 
> Anyone have any experience using Pine with Exchange? Maybe even a howto/faq
> on the settings within pine that must be set.
> 
> My user-domain and smtp-server settings are correct.
> I can send mail. 
> But, I cannot see my inbox nor any folders on the system Exchange server.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

		

		

		
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I did a web search for free Unix accounts and found only a handful, and of
those, only a couple were operational.  One charged account holders
for FTP.  Another had a 1 MB storage limit.  Can someone please post the
names of free Unix (Pine) hosts on this list, and any important info.
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Faheem,

		

		
>> Is s/mime support exists in pine ?
>Mime support exists. See internal help. Do you need more details?
>What is s?
S stands for "secured" mime.

		
>I have used these with SuSE 6.2 and it seems to work fine. Note that
>SuSE-compatible rpms exist for both pgp4pine and gpg. More details
>available on request if I am understanding your needs correctly. (Just
>email me if interested). I'm not sure what you mean by certificate. (I
>don't know much about encryption).
Unfortunately pgp isn't what I want to do. I want to deal with verisign or
thawte or these kind of signers.

		
Does anyone knows a command-line-only MUA able to use PKI ?

		
best wishes

		

		

		
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The only one I know about is Shellyeah and I had very mixed feelings about
the account that I had there for a while.  You must telnet in and to set
up an account, the address is:

		
telnet shellyeah.org

		
And log in as newuser.  I just checked and they're saying that they're
temporarily suspended new accounts during some upgrading they're
doing.  Also, they say not to use Windows Telnet to create a new accounts
because it doesn't display screens correctly.  I'd use Hyperterminal.

		
Once you have your account set up, you use a different Telnet
address.  I'm not 100% sure, but I _think_ you can get info from an
autoresponder by sending blank email to:

		
info@shellyeah.org

		
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We don't do free shell accounts, but FYI, we've found that the Windows
Telnet application seems to have some serious problems with Solaris boxes
that we didn't see with SunOS.  We've recommended to users as well to
discontinue using Windows Telnet.

		
Scott

		

		
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On Thu, 18 May 2000, Walt Smith wrote:

		
> The only one I know about is Shellyeah and I had very mixed feelings about
> the account that I had there for a while.  You must telnet in and to set
> up an account, the address is:
> 
> telnet shellyeah.org
> 
> And log in as newuser.  I just checked and they're saying that they're
> temporarily suspended new accounts during some upgrading they're
> doing.  Also, they say not to use Windows Telnet to create a new accounts
> because it doesn't display screens correctly.  I'd use Hyperterminal.
> 
> Once you have your account set up, you use a different Telnet
> address.  I'm not 100% sure, but I _think_ you can get info from an
> autoresponder by sending blank email to:
> 
> info@shellyeah.org
> 
> -- 
> Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
> ka3agm@ns.shellworld.net
> 
> "I'm not a humanitarian, I'm a hell-raiser"
>           - Mother Jones
> 

		

		
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Hello

		
I would like to save several messages in the same folder in one go. 
In other words I would like to be able to highlight/select them in one way
or the other and then to be able to apply the Save command to all of them.

		
I looked at pine's web site and the only related info I found is the
following:

		
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Multiple messages can be exported to a single file by selecting them (if
enable-aggregate-command-set is checked in Pine's SETUP CONFIGURATION) and
applying the Export command to them. The sequence of the messages in the
exported file can be changed by sorting (press $ in the FOLDER INDEX view)
the messages first. 
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By following these instruction, the way I understand them, I only managed
to save the message on which the cursor is.

		
Could anyone help me out?

		
Thanks in advance
Regards
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On Thu, 18 May 2000, Alberto Desirelli wrote:

		
> Hello
> 
> I would like to save several messages in the same folder in one go. 
> In other words I would like to be able to highlight/select them in one way
> or the other and then to be able to apply the Save command to all of them.

		
Use ";" to select individual messages, or those that meet a criterion. Then
use "A" for "Apply" to say what to do with the selected messages. It's a great
feature.

		
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On Thu, 18 May 2000, Bob Rasmussen wrote:

		
> On Thu, 18 May 2000, Alberto Desirelli wrote:
> 
> > I would like to save several messages in the same folder in one go. 
> > In other words I would like to be able to highlight/select them in one way
> > or the other and then to be able to apply the Save command to all of them.
> 
> Use ";" to select individual messages, or those that meet a criterion. Then
> use "A" for "Apply" to say what to do with the selected messages. It's a great
> feature.

		
So in your case, you'll want to (A)pply the (S)ave command to the selected
messages.

		
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Does the AGGREGATE Flag need to be enabled as well for
the ";" to function? 

		
George

		
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Leibrand [mailto:leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu]
>Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:43 AM
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>
>
>On Thu, 18 May 2000, Bob Rasmussen wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 May 2000, Alberto Desirelli wrote:
>> 
>> > I would like to save several messages in the same folder 
>in one go. 
>> > In other words I would like to be able to highlight/select 
>them in one way
>> > or the other and then to be able to apply the Save command 
>to all of them.
>> 
>> Use ";" to select individual messages, or those that meet a 
>criterion. Then
>> use "A" for "Apply" to say what to do with the selected 
>messages. It's a great
>> feature.
>
>So in your case, you'll want to (A)pply the (S)ave command to 
>the selected
>messages.
>
>-- 
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>valid address.)
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>Washington State. *
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>
>

		
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Yes, enable-aggregate-ops (or whatever it's called now) needs to be
enabled, but someone already said that, so I didn't repeat it.

		
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On Thu, 18 May 2000, George Gallen wrote:

		
> Does the AGGREGATE Flag need to be enabled as well for
> the ";" to function? 
> 
> George
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Scott Leibrand [mailto:leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu]
> >Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:43 AM
> >To: Pine Discussion Forum
> >Subject: Re: your mail
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 18 May 2000, Bob Rasmussen wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 18 May 2000, Alberto Desirelli wrote:
> >> 
> >> > I would like to save several messages in the same folder 
> >in one go. 
> >> > In other words I would like to be able to highlight/select 
> >them in one way
> >> > or the other and then to be able to apply the Save command 
> >to all of them.
> >> 
> >> Use ";" to select individual messages, or those that meet a 
> >criterion. Then
> >> use "A" for "Apply" to say what to do with the selected 
> >messages. It's a great
> >> feature.
> >
> >So in your case, you'll want to (A)pply the (S)ave command to 
> >the selected
> >messages.
> >
> >-- 
> >Scott Leibrand
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> >valid address.)
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> >Washington State. *
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> >         *
> >
> >
> >
> 

		

		
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:) qmail with maildir ....
:) 

		
The only information about maildir with qmail that I've found in the web
is at http://www.davideous.com/imap-maildir/

		
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After you have your account set up, you telnet to
zippy.shellyeah.org i think.

		
On 2000-05-18 ka3agm@ns.shellworld.net said:
    The only one I know about is Shellyeah and I had very mixed
    feelings about the account that I had there for a while.  You must
    telnet in and to set up an account, the address is:
    telnet shellyeah.org
    And log in as newuser.  I just checked and they're saying that
    they're temporarily suspended new accounts during some upgrading
    they're doing.  Also, they say not to use Windows Telnet to create
    a new accounts because it doesn't display screens correctly.  I'd
    use Hyperterminal.
    Once you have your account set up, you use a different Telnet
    address.  I'm not 100% sure, but I _think_ you can get info from an
    info@shellyeah.org
    --
    Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
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What should one use instead of the windows telnet client.  thanks andy

		

		

		
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Andy -

		
I told you ... Hyperterminal, which is installed in most standard Windows
installations.  If you don't have it, or even if you do, replace it with
Hyperterminal Private Edition (a vastly improved version of the program),
free from:

		
http://www.hilgraeve.com

		
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Try cyberspace.org. that is another one that is free, but they are still
running pine 3.96.

		
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> Try cyberspace.org. that is another one that is free, but they are still
> running pine 3.96.

		
Yes, I tried that host.  Their limit is 1 MB, which is pretty small.  I'm
looking for a host with a larger limit, but I will continue the cyberspace
account until I find another better account host.

		
Kevin

		

		
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For some reason, in one of my Unix/Pine accounts, messages that I send to
another person are saved with the message in the folder index showing:
"To: John Doe", but messages in my other Unix/Pine account are shown as
saying my name: "Kevin Franken" - and when I view these messages, I see
that they were sent to someone else, not to myself.  How can I get the
messages to read "To: John Doe" instead of showing my name/the sender?

		
I pasted the below text from the Pine User's Guide website:

		
http://www.washington.edu/pine/user-guide/screen/folder.index.html

		

		
Folder Index Screen
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|  PINE 3.94   FOLDER INDEX          Folder: RossAm  Msg 2 of 2      NEW
|  
|
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|+   1   Dec 19 Ross Armstrong      (4,053)  Scanning pencil drawings
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|+ N 2   Dec 20 To: Ross Armstrong (1.163K)  Re: Scanning pencil drawings
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| ? Help       M Main Menu  P PrevMsg    - PrevPage  D Delete    R Reply
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| O OTHER CMDS V [ViewMsg]  N NextMsg  Spc NextPage  U Undelete  F Forward|
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I want my folder to look like the one above - with my reply to a message
appearing after my receipt of a message in the "To: John Doe" format.  I
read the Pine webpage, but cannot find how to do this.  Please help!

		
Thanks!

		
Kevin

		
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*** Kevin Franken wrote in the pine-info list today:

		
:) For some reason, in one of my Unix/Pine accounts, messages that I send to
:) another person are saved with the message in the folder index showing:
:) "To: John Doe", but messages in my other Unix/Pine account are shown as
:) saying my name: "Kevin Franken" - and when I view these messages, I see
:) that they were sent to someone else, not to myself.  How can I get the
:) messages to read "To: John Doe" instead of showing my name/the sender?

		
There's an option in your configuration called "index-format"
configuration make sure it says: 

		
STATUS MSGNO DATE FROMORTO(35%) SIZE SUBJECT(65%) 

		
the important part is the FROMORTO above.

		
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You probably need to add your e-mail address (the one in the
From: line) to the alt-addresses line in Pine's Setup, Config.

		
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On Sat, 20 May 2000, Kevin Franken wrote:

		
> For some reason, in one of my Unix/Pine accounts, messages that I send to
> another person are saved with the message in the folder index showing:
> "To: John Doe", but messages in my other Unix/Pine account are shown as
> saying my name: "Kevin Franken" - and when I view these messages, I see
> that they were sent to someone else, not to myself.  How can I get the
> messages to read "To: John Doe" instead of showing my name/the sender?
> 
> I pasted the below text from the Pine User's Guide website:
> 
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/user-guide/screen/folder.index.html
> 
> 
> Folder Index Screen
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |  PINE 3.94   FOLDER INDEX          Folder: RossAm  Msg 2 of 2      NEW
> |  
> |
> |
> |+   1   Dec 19 Ross Armstrong      (4,053)  Scanning pencil drawings
> |
> |+ N 2   Dec 20 To: Ross Armstrong (1.163K)  Re: Scanning pencil drawings
> |
> |
> |
> | ? Help       M Main Menu  P PrevMsg    - PrevPage  D Delete    R Reply
> |
> | O OTHER CMDS V [ViewMsg]  N NextMsg  Spc NextPage  U Undelete  F Forward|
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I want my folder to look like the one above - with my reply to a message
> appearing after my receipt of a message in the "To: John Doe" format.  I
> read the Pine webpage, but cannot find how to do this.  Please help!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kevin
> 
> -- 
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>  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
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I just tried your suggestion, but that did not have any effect, let
alone the effect that I wanted.  In fact, the account that has it like I
want/like it does not have the configuration you suggested that I input
into the account that I want to change.  It had No Value Set.  Any other
suggestions?

		
Kevin

		
> *** Kevin Franken wrote in the pine-info list today:
> 
> :) For some reason, in one of my Unix/Pine accounts, messages that I send to
> :) another person are saved with the message in the folder index showing:
> :) "To: John Doe", but messages in my other Unix/Pine account are shown as
> :) saying my name: "Kevin Franken" - and when I view these messages, I see
> :) that they were sent to someone else, not to myself.  How can I get the
> :) messages to read "To: John Doe" instead of showing my name/the sender?
> 
> There's an option in your configuration called "index-format"
> configuration make sure it says: 
> 
> STATUS MSGNO DATE FROMORTO(35%) SIZE SUBJECT(65%) 
> 
> the important part is the FROMORTO above.
> 
> -- 
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

		

		

		

		

		

		
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Just tried that.  No effect.  

		
What happened was I FTP'd the folder from the account that I liked the
format to another Unix account.  After I looked at the folder
index in the latter account is when I discovered the format change.  Does
the fact that I FTP'd the folder and its msgs have anything to do with
this format change?  If I FTP'd the folder back to the original account,
maybe the format would be the way I like it.  But, I want to use the
second account and have it configured like the first.  Hmmmm...

		
Kevin

		

		
> You probably need to add your e-mail address (the one in the
> From: line) to the alt-addresses line in Pine's Setup, Config.
> 
> -- 
> Scott Leibrand

		

		

		
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The folder index suggestions of Eduardo and/or Scott have worked.  I tried
each of their suggestions separately, I saved the configuration changes,
logged out, logged in, and the index had not changed.  Now, several hours
later, and both of their configuration suggestions still in place, my
folder index is the way I want it.  The system must've needed a few hours
to change the index.  

		
Thank you very much Eduardo and Scott!

		
Kevin

		

		

		
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For some reason, messages that I FTP to another Unix account
consistently are 25 bytes bigger than in the original account.  Can anyone
explain that?  Is there a way to keep the messages the same size?

		
I suspect it is something in the configuration, but I don't know what.
The full header command is "off" on both accounts.

		
Thanks for any suggestions.

		
Kevin

		
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the reason that it justifies is that xterm uses ^J between lines, not ^M
and ^J tells pico (and pine) to justify the current paragraph.  what i do
is to use vi via the alternate editor command (^_) and paste into it.  of
course that requires that you know vi :-).

		

		

		
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Hi,

		
I am not really sure if this is a Pine issue, FreeBSD issue, or a Postfix
issue.  Our organization has 10 or so users running Pine (4.21
compiled via FreeBSD's ports system) on a  FreeBSD v3.4-STABLE box under
Postfix.  Every once in awhile, when someone sends a message, Pine will
sit there on "Sending"... anywhere from 5-15 minutes.  Looking at the
maillogs, Postfix grabbed the message and sent it to the messages final
destination all within 15 seconds.  So why would Pine just sit there "on
hold" waiting?  (It happens sporadically at best (once or twice a day),
enough to be an annoyance)  

		
I have already enabled background sending in the configuration files (as
was suggested in the FreeBSD mailing lists) but it has been to no avail.

		
Any light anyone could shed would be great...

		
Best Wishes - Peter

		
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On Sat, 20 May 2000, Joe Pruett wrote:
> the reason that it justifies is that xterm uses ^J between lines, not ^M
> and ^J tells pico (and pine) to justify the current paragraph.

		

		
This may have been what was happening to the original poster,
with the caveat that he was not using xterm.  (If you experiment,
you'll probably discover that you are unable to paste a ^J into
an xterm.  Even if you copy one from elsewhere, when you try to
paste it you end up getting a ^M.)

		
I emailed the original poster off-list to point out that I had
no trouble pasting long lines into a pico -w running in an xterm,
and he replied to me and said that he'd been using one of KDE's
terminal emulators rather than xterm.  When he switched to using
xterm he was able to paste long lines without difficulty.

		
 Jacob Morzinski                                jmorzins@mit.edu

		

		
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does anybody know if it is possible either to send a messege in blind copy
to someone or send it to a list of people without disclosing individual 
email addresses?

		
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Alberto Desirelli wrote:
> 
> does anybody know if it is possible either to send a messege in blind 
> copy to someone or send it to a list of people without disclosing 
> individual email addresses?
> 

		
You should be able to use bcc: for that, but not all servers respect the
ability to not show addresses.  No matter what you do, it's all in the
headers.  You can try editing the headers so that only people will see
the discussion between the servers that are on your end and their end,
sometimes it works, but if you're sending to *thinks of a bad net* I
think AOL is one of them, you'll see that they're able to see anything
in the bcc: field.

		
	- Mike

		
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> does anybody know if it is possible either to send a messege in blind copy
> to someone or send it to a list of people without disclosing individual 
> email addresses?

		
Yes, you can do both.  Press ^R (ctrl-R) while in the headers to display
all your headers.  Then you can enter people in the Bcc: field, or you can
enter an address book list (containing a full name) in the Lcc: field, and
the full name of the address book list will be all that shows up on the
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I was looking through the pine info but couldn't find a way to change the
time interval that momentary warning, error, new-mail, etc. messages are
displayed.  I would like to shorten it as every time I hit an undefined
key, or get notice of new mail, or message deleted, etc., I have to wait
for it to go off before I can resume working.  Suggestions?

		
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I can duplicate the behavior you describe by setting status-message-delay
to 1 or 2 seconds.  So perhaps setting it to 0 will fix it for you.

		
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On Mon, 22 May 2000, jim worthington wrote:

		
> I was looking through the pine info but couldn't find a way to change the
> time interval that momentary warning, error, new-mail, etc. messages are
> displayed.  I would like to shorten it as every time I hit an undefined
> key, or get notice of new mail, or message deleted, etc., I have to wait
> for it to go off before I can resume working.  Suggestions?
>=20
> Jim
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> Pittsburgh, PA 15282-1530
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Good morning to all -

		
I am a relatively new user of Pine.  I created a new folder called
*recipes*  -  I am a subscriber to a recipe newsgroup.  The previous
recipes that I saved are in the *saved messages* folder with other email.
What I would like to do is move these messages to the new *recipes*
folder.  Can someone help me accomplish that task?

		
Thanks you for your help,

		
Dick Williams

		
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First make sure enable-aggregate-command-set (or similar) is enabled in
Main, Setup, Config.

		
Select the messages you want to save (either by pressing : on each one or
pressing ; and selecting by criteria, such as the To: line).  Then press A
to apply a command, S to save, and type or select (with ^T) the folder to
save them to.

		
If you're not doing a whole lot of messages, you can also just use the
save command on each message individually.

		
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On Tue, 23 May 2000, hermit wrote:

		
> Good morning to all -
> 
> I am a relatively new user of Pine.  I created a new folder called
> *recipes*  -  I am a subscriber to a recipe newsgroup.  The previous
> recipes that I saved are in the *saved messages* folder with other email.
> What I would like to do is move these messages to the new *recipes*
> folder.  Can someone help me accomplish that task?
> 
> Thanks you for your help,
> 
> Dick Williams
> 
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Hello Scott -

		
Thank you, Sir, for pointing me in the right direction.  Your
instructions worked flawlessly as usual. :)

		
Have a good day,

		
Dick Williams

		
On Tue, 23 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

		
> First make sure enable-aggregate-command-set (or similar) is enabled in
> Main, Setup, Config.
> 
> Select the messages you want to save (either by pressing : on each one or
> pressing ; and selecting by criteria, such as the To: line).  Then press A
> to apply a command, S to save, and type or select (with ^T) the folder to
> save them to.
> 
> If you're not doing a whole lot of messages, you can also just use the
> save command on each message individually.
> 
> -- 
> Scott Leibrand
> leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu            (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
> * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message.          *
> 
> On Tue, 23 May 2000, hermit wrote:
> 
> > Good morning to all -
> > 
> > I am a relatively new user of Pine.  I created a new folder called
> > *recipes*  -  I am a subscriber to a recipe newsgroup.  The previous
> > recipes that I saved are in the *saved messages* folder with other email.
> > What I would like to do is move these messages to the new *recipes*
> > folder.  Can someone help me accomplish that task?
> > 
> > Thanks you for your help,
> > 
> > Dick Williams
> > 
> > -- 
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> >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
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> > 
> 

		

		
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Hello all, Is there a way to program default action keys when you enter a
mail folder?  Something like the present "startup keys"?

		
I want to program a key combination  "j 1 <tab>" in each folder so that
when I enter the folder, I'll start with the first unread message, given
that they are sorted by arrival...

		
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You can't do programmable key combos in Pine itself, although some Telnet
programs will do them.

		
If you use Incoming Folders, you can set:

		
incoming-startup-rule    =
            Set    Rule Values
            ---  ----------------------
            (*)  first-unseen
            ( )  first-recent
            ( )  first
            ( )  last

		
But that will only apply to folers in the Incoming Folders collection,
AFAIK.

		
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On Thu, 25 May 2000 nemo@circinus.com wrote:

		
> Hello all, Is there a way to program default action keys when you enter a
> mail folder?  Something like the present "startup keys"?
> 
> I want to program a key combination  "j 1 <tab>" in each folder so that
> when I enter the folder, I'll start with the first unread message, given
> that they are sorted by arrival...
> 
> -- 
> Nemo
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*** nemo@circinus.com wrote in the pine-info list today:

		
:) I want to program a key combination  "j 1 <tab>" in each folder so that
:) when I enter the folder, I'll start with the first unread message, given
:) that they are sorted by arrival...

		
As Scott pointed out this can only be done with incoming folders only, but
you can change Pine's behavior if you apply that I wrote called "define
your own rules and make pine flexible!" which among ther things allow you
to do so. (actually you can define for each folder which startup position
you want to use). For example if you wanted the same rule to apply to
every folder you would have to define in yout new-rules variable a rule
like:

		
  _FOLDER_ >> {} => _STARTUP_{first}

		
  There is a help file with the patch that hopefully teaches you how to
use it. If you have problems/qustions contact me.

		
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After upgrading, I get a "viewer" screen after printing a file which I did
not get before.  I would like to know if I can get rid of it.

		
I did two upgrades at once: from 4.10 to 4.21 in pine and from sunos to
solaris 2.7 on my sun computer.  After I enter Y for prYnt, I used to get
a message at the bottom of the screen telling me about the printing being
done and then it would return to the view of the file I had seen before
printing.  Now it starts out as before, but then I get a blank screen
excpet for a message at the left top of the page:

		
[mpage: 5 pages, printer 8100q]

		
and at the bottom a set of navigational options.  To get out of it I have
to enter E for Exit viewer.

		
I would appreciate suggestions of how to get rid of this extra step.

		
When I first set up my .pinerc in 3.96, I had trouble figuring out the
printer cues.  What I finally put in which seemed to work (still prints
okay) is

		

		
########## Set within or by Pine: No need to edit below this line

		
# Your default printer selection
printer=lpr [] fmt -s -85 | mpage -1b -P8100q

		
# List of special print commands
personal-print-command=lpr [] fmt -s -85 | mpage -1b -P8100q

		
# Which category default print command is in
personal-print-category=3

		
The fmt deals with wraparound, and I pipe into mpage because my printer
does not want to put in CR for an ascii file.

		
I would appreciate suggestions.

		
Arthur Snoke

		

		
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On Fri, 26 May 2000, Arthur Snoke wrote:
> printing.  Now it starts out as before, but then I get a blank screen
> excpet for a message at the left top of the page:
> 
> [mpage: 5 pages, printer 8100q]

		
My understanding is that pine runs a unix command to print
your mail, and pine waits to see if that command produces
any text output to the screen.  If it does, pine shows the
text output to the user in that pager screen.

		
So, one way of dealing with this issue would be to print using
a unix command that doesn't produce any stdout or stderr output.

		
Sincerely,
 Jacob Morzinski                                jmorzins@mit.edu

		

		
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I hope this reaches someone.

		

		
I am using fetchmail on my home linux machine to poll mail from 3 diffrent
servers .. and I was using mutt to see if this feature worked, supposidly
it did .. but didn't work for me.

		
Can pine do what I'm about to describe is my question

		
I'm polling mail from 3 diffrent servers 

		
and each one has a diffrent address (I know I know .. duh)

		
basically what I want ot do is this .. if mail comes to keerf@linux.com ..
I want to be able to reply with my address looking like keerf@linux.com ..
and so on and so forth for my other address.

		
Is this possiable through pine? if so .. how?

		
Terry

		
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From: Scott Leibrand <leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu>
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Yep.  Pine 4.21 does all that.

		
If you have already set up mail delivery to a single inbox, you can just
set up Roles (Main, Setup, Rules, Roles) to reply with the correct
address.  If you also need to set up a way to access your different
inboxes, you can also set up Pine's Incoming Folders by enabling it in
Main, Setup, Config and adding a link to each folder where you receive new
mail.

		
Read Pine's help text for those two topics, and let us know if you have
any problems.

		
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On Fri, 26 May 2000, Terry Warner wrote:

		
> 
> I hope this reaches someone.
> 
> 
> I am using fetchmail on my home linux machine to poll mail from 3 diffrent
> servers .. and I was using mutt to see if this feature worked, supposidly
> it did .. but didn't work for me.
> 
> Can pine do what I'm about to describe is my question
> 
> I'm polling mail from 3 diffrent servers 
> 
> and each one has a diffrent address (I know I know .. duh)
> 
> basically what I want ot do is this .. if mail comes to keerf@linux.com ..
> I want to be able to reply with my address looking like keerf@linux.com ..
> and so on and so forth for my other address.
> 
> Is this possiable through pine? if so .. how?
> 
> Terry
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From: Arthur Snoke <snoke@equake.geol.vt.edu>
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Thanks to suggestions from Jacob Morzinski, I solved my extra viewer
screen problem when printing.  turns out the solaris version of mpage has
as a default a print to standard error device the number of pages.  So it
was neither pine upgrade from 4.10 to 4.21 nor (directly) the switch to
solaris from sunos.

		
A second problem that accompanied my upgrade is that when I am reading in
a new mail file, about once a day my screen freezes.  I have to close the
window (from the console in openwindows) or kill the telnet session
(calling in from home).  Restarting pine works with nothing lost, but it
is a pain.

		
Often, particularly with large files, there is a bit of a delay as it
opens and displays a mail message.  The problem is an infinite delay.  It
does not have to be a large file, and when I restart pine and open the
mail message it seems to be normal.

		
I do have a filter:

		
# This variable takes a list of programs that message text is piped into
# after MIME decoding, prior to display.
display-filters=_CHARSET(ISO-8859-1)_ /usr/local/bin/8859filt

		
This was put in some time before to translate the 24 normally undefined
character set entries into something legible.  (I prefer a ' to a Danish
capital O with a squiggle over it.)

		
Thanks in advance for any help.

		
Arthur Snoke

		
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The pop3d is the one which used to be distributed with pine, although i
can't
seem to find an updated version.  In any case, when I run pine, it's uses
the
local mail spool, through /var/spool/mail (which is NFS mounted).  The pop3
server is on the server where /var/spool/mail resides, so it's locally
mounted.  I think what happens is if I have pine open, and my machine tries
to POP, it succeeds, but next time it downloads, it downloads EVERY message,
including the messages that it has already downloaded.  I have it set to
leave messages on there for 4 days so i can read stuff via pine when i'm not
at my desk.  What am i doing wrong?  It's annoying to have 300+ emails
re-downloaded each time this happens.  I return to my desk and i have 6-7
copies of the same message.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks,
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Subject: pine problem - IMAP + postmaster messages
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                    Hello, List !

		
I've got strange problems, using IMAP connection and receiving messages
from postmaster. Each time pine dumped core and I had to delete this message
from any other client.

		
I've tracked down the problem, and this seems to fix it:

		

		
--- mail.c.old	Sun May 28 20:59:36 2000
+++ mail.c	Sun May 28 21:00:01 2000
@@ -2995,7 +2995,7 @@
 	if (h.data != st.data) fs_give ((void **) &h.data);
       }
     }
-    if (body = body->nested.msg->body)
+    if (body->nested.msg && (body = body->nested.msg->body))
       ret = (body->type == TYPEMULTIPART) ?
 	mail_search_body (stream,msgno,body,(prefix ? prefix : ""),section - 1,
 			  flags) :

		
I don't know what's the real probelm, though.

		
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I'm receiving double messages... and looks it appens only for larger
mailboxes (>1000 msgs)... any clue?
i use fetchmail with nokeep option to retrieve mail from other servers...

		
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Look at the text of the mail folder.  If the message really appears twice,
ask a fetchmail list or newsgroup, as it's not likely to be a Pine issue.  
But if the message is only showing up once in the mail folder file and
Pine is duplicating it, let us know.  That would be an interesting Pine
problem.

		
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On Wed, 31 May 2000, William Maddler wrote:

		
> I'm receiving double messages... and looks it appens only for larger
> mailboxes (>1000 msgs)... any clue?
> i use fetchmail with nokeep option to retrieve mail from other servers...
> 

		

		
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looks like the message is being retrieved twice... btw... isnatlled
Fetchmail 5.4.0... let's see what'll happen! :DDDDDDDD

		
00.05.30 at 18:03, PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu babbled of:

		
>Look at the text of the mail folder.  If the message really appears twice,
>ask a fetchmail list or newsgroup, as it's not likely to be a Pine issue.  
>But if the message is only showing up once in the mail folder file and
>Pine is duplicating it, let us know.  That would be an interesting Pine
>problem.
>
>

		
P.s: a "reply with role" function would be kinda nice! ;))

		
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hi,

		
Sorry this question might be off topic :(

		
Is there a way, with pine, to send a previously signed e-mail (with openssl for
instance) ?
I mean, I wouldn't like pine to just send the signed email in the body of the
new email. Because in this case, on the other side, the email isn't recognised
as a signed one.

		
Anyone familiar with s/mime and pine ?

		
thx,

		

		
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