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From: Harald Schoen <hschoen@snafu.de>
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Subject: Colorful PINE?
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Hello!

		
I am running PINE 4.20 on a standard PC with VGA graphics card under Linux. I prefer not tu use X-Window but the simple text 
console. Trying to set the colors for the various items I discovered that it was not possible to choose between more than 8 
colors. Even selecting "force ansi-16colors" didnīt change this behaviour: The first eight fields were filled with 8 colors but the 
second eight ones were simply empty. It was the same when I tried to select "use termdef" (on my system, TERM=linux).
This situation is bad for me because I want to use yellow as "normal color" but unfortunately the eight colors I could 
chosse from donīt contain yellow. So how can I make PINE display all (or at least 16) colors available in the VGA text mode?

		

		
TIA,

		
Harald

		
PS: Other applications (e.g. "midnight commander") DO display yellow. So it seems that this color IS available. So why not in 
PINE?

		

		
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Hi! Odd problem here that I was about to forward to the bug list, but
figured it might have a simple solution out there. I've been using pine
for while and out of the blue I'm having problems opening the Folder
List. Press 'L' and all I get is: 

		
Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
Pine Exiting.

		
Any ideas why pine suddenly doesn't like listing files. Removing and
resetting mail folders and configuration files doesn't work on RH pine 
4.20. (Note, everything does work when I downgrade to 4.04...)

		
Any help would be, well, helpful ;-)

		
Cheers,
Dave
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Where did you get your Pine binary?  Did you get it from ftp.cac or
compile it yourself?  If the latter, did you change any code?

		
I don't know the answers, but I usually know what questions to ask.  :)

		
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On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, David Kidston wrote:

		
> 
> Hi! Odd problem here that I was about to forward to the bug list, but
> figured it might have a simple solution out there. I've been using pine
> for while and out of the blue I'm having problems opening the Folder
> List. Press 'L' and all I get is: 
> 
> Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
> Pine Exiting.
> 
> Any ideas why pine suddenly doesn't like listing files. Removing and
> resetting mail folders and configuration files doesn't work on RH pine 
> 4.20. (Note, everything does work when I downgrade to 4.04...)
> 
> Any help would be, well, helpful ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
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I picked the binaries from the RPM on the RedHat 6.1 CD, so it's
completely stock. Could it be some kind of odd terminal problem? - I'm
accessing remotely via SSH...

		
(Since it's binary, there's no debug information to go on either...)

		
Cheers,
Dave

		
On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:

		
> Where did you get your Pine binary?  Did you get it from ftp.cac or
> compile it yourself?  If the latter, did you change any code?
> 
> I don't know the answers, but I usually know what questions to ask.  :)
> 
> On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, David Kidston wrote:
> 
> > Hi! Odd problem here that I was about to forward to the bug list, but
> > figured it might have a simple solution out there. I've been using pine
> > for while and out of the blue I'm having problems opening the Folder
> > List. Press 'L' and all I get is: 
> > 
> > Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
> > Pine Exiting.
> > 
> > Any ideas why pine suddenly doesn't like listing files. Removing and
> > resetting mail folders and configuration files doesn't work on RH pine 
> > 4.20. (Note, everything does work when I downgrade to 4.04...)

		

		

		
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Even with stock binaries, it should still write .pine-debug1 through
.pine-debug4 files containing debug info.  To get the most detail, you can
also run pine with a -d 9 flag (pine -d 9) to get a debug level of nine.

		
Anyone else have any idea what he should be looking for?  I'm completely
clueless as to what might be causing the problem.

		
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On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, David Kidston wrote:

		
> 
> I picked the binaries from the RPM on the RedHat 6.1 CD, so it's
> completely stock. Could it be some kind of odd terminal problem? - I'm
> accessing remotely via SSH...
> 
> (Since it's binary, there's no debug information to go on either...)
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
> On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> 
> > Where did you get your Pine binary?  Did you get it from ftp.cac or
> > compile it yourself?  If the latter, did you change any code?
> > 
> > I don't know the answers, but I usually know what questions to ask.  :)
> > 
> > On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, David Kidston wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi! Odd problem here that I was about to forward to the bug list, but
> > > figured it might have a simple solution out there. I've been using pine
> > > for while and out of the blue I'm having problems opening the Folder
> > > List. Press 'L' and all I get is: 
> > > 
> > > Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
> > > Pine Exiting.
> > > 
> > > Any ideas why pine suddenly doesn't like listing files. Removing and
> > > resetting mail folders and configuration files doesn't work on RH pine 
> > > 4.20. (Note, everything does work when I downgrade to 4.04...)
> 
> 
> 

		

		
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Hey Dave,

		
On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, David Kidston wrote:

		
> [...]
> Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
> Pine Exiting.
> [...]

		
Sounds like a broken installation.  It's possible that it uses incompatible
shared libraries.

		
I would try downloading the source code and compiling it yourself.

		
Cheers!
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I get the error mentioned in the subject line when I want to read or save
a html-attachment from a local electronic newspaper.

		
Mutt does not give the same problem on the same document.

		
In the documentation I read

		
ENCODE_FROMS
          Use Quoted-printable encoding so that From's at the beginning
          of lines don't end up being escaped by >'s. Most people seem to
          dislike the Q-P encoding more than the > escapes so this is off
          by default. Once everyone has MIME mail readers, we'll turn
          this on by default.

		
Does this have something to do with the error message I get?  How can I
correct it?

		
I tried out both pine 3.96 and 4.20 and both gave the same problem.

		
I hope you can help me.  I like pine, but if I will not be able to solve
this one I will have to reconsider.

		
With 4.20 I have a second problem. The 'H'-key to toggle full headers is
not working.  Does anybody else have the same problem?

		
Johann
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On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Johann Spies wrote:

		
> With 4.20 I have a second problem. The 'H'-key to toggle full headers is
> not working.  Does anybody else have the same problem?
> 
> Johann

		

		
Looks like a configuration option isn't set:

		
                        FEATURE: enable-full-header-cmd

		
This feature enables the "H Full Headers" command which toggles between
the display of all headers in the message and the normal edited view of
headers. The Full Header command also controls which headers are included
for Export, Pipe, Print, Forward, and Reply functions. (For Reply, the
Full Header mode will respect the "include-headers-in-reply" feature
setting.)

		
 *  Finding more information and requesting help

		
<End of help on this topic>

		

		
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hello..

		
can anyone tell me about mail filters & if its possible to filter mails
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On 28 Oct 1999, Robin S. Socha wrote:

		
> * Peter Daum <gator@cs.tu-berlin.de> writes:
> > Is there any reasonably convenient way to occasionally read and write
> > messages in other encodings (mostly KOI8-R and ISO-8859-5) in an
> > environment that is still configured for ISO-8859-1?
> 
> Using pine, this should be pretty difficult. It would most likely be
> much easier to use MEW oder Gnus within a MULE (MUlti-Lingual Emacs)
> XEmacs. It will happily grok all languages mentioned above.

		
Hi,

		
this is a school of social work ;-) 

		
pine is already scary enough for the average student here, but
most of them got used to it - I think, I better stick to it ...

		
regards,
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* Manisha  <fd97644@bits-pilani.ac.in> writes:
> can anyone tell me about mail filters & if its possible to
> filter mails w.r.t. the sender of the message..

		
I suggest visiting Nancy McGough's fabulous site at <http://www.ii.com/>
where you will find a gentle introduction to filtering mail and loads of info
for pine. If you're a Man(tm), <http://socha.net/pine-tips.html#procmail> and
man procmail procmailex procmailsc will do.

		
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* Peter Daum <gator@cs.tu-berlin.de> writes:
> On 28 Oct 1999, Robin S. Socha wrote:
>> * Peter Daum <gator@cs.tu-berlin.de> writes:
>> > Is there any reasonably convenient way to occasionally read and
>> > write messages in other encodings (mostly KOI8-R and ISO-8859-5) in
>> > an environment that is still configured for ISO-8859-1?
[XEmacs/MULE would be easier]
> this is a school of social work ;-)

		
Then *do* something for the taxes I pay. Read, enable, empower, enact![1]

		
> pine is already scary enough for the average student here, but most of
> them got used to it - I think, I better stick to it ...

		
Then it's RTFM time for you:
robin@radioactive /usr/doc/HOWTO> grep -i pine *
Chinese-HOWTO:     9.6 pine
Cyrillic-HOWTO:    5.1.2 pine
Danish-HOWTO:      pine:
Finnish-HOWTO:     7.10.  pine
German-HOWTO:      6.2.8.  pine
Hebrew-HOWTO:      6.2.  Hebrew pine and pico
Italian-HOWTO:     3.2.2.1 pine(1)
Portuguese-HOWTO:  6.1.16.  Pine e Pico
Serbian-HOWTO:     as if I'd care...
Slovenian-HOWTO:   6.1 Ukazne lupine
Thai-HOWTO:        3.1.4 pine

		
You *are* using Linux, right?

		
Footnotes: 
[1]  I didn't make that up. Joolz said it in 1997. Scary thought, though.

		
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I wondered why I was unable to get my URLs highlighted (and so I
couldn't follow them automatically).

		
I asked a question of someone I thought could help, and he did! The
answer is that the character set has to be US-ASCII. My normal character
is/was ISO-8859-1.

		
This does seem an unreasonable restriction.

		
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I have enabled message-view URLs in my Pine Setup.  Now, when a URL comes
across in an email to me and I click on it, I get the following message:

		
"No URL-Viewer application defined!  Define now?" 

		
If I say yes, it says:

		
"Web Browser:"

		
Is there a way to point my Pine session to the Netscape browser on my hard
drive?  I typed in the address C:\Program Files\Netscape\ . . . (the rest
of the address for my browser) and it didn't work.  Is there a way to get
this to work?

		
Thanks,
Bryan Walton

		
 
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Hi everyone,

		
Is it possible to sort distribution lists by the full names of the contained
aliases, instead of the names of the aliases themselves?

		
For example, if I have

		
  - an alias "jsmith" for Smith, John <smith@john.org>,
  - an alias "xdow" for Dow, Xiang <xd@email.com>, and
  - an alias "all" for jsmith, xdow.

		
Then when I send email to "all", it ends up in the order

		
        Smith, John
        Dow, Xiang

		
whereas I would prefer alphabetical by last name.

		
This is, of course, independent of whether I define "all" to be
jsmith, xdow  or  xdow, jsmith,  because Pine always sorts distribution
lists by alias name. :-(

		
Any thoughts/patches?
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Yes, that is kind of a counterintuitive behavior, especially since I have
addrbook-sort-rule set to fullname-with-lists-last.  Perhaps the Pine team
ought to consider a sort-recipients option that would make it
automatically sort them according to addrbook-sort-rule, or even another
recipient-sort-rule option.

		
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On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Erik Demaine wrote:

		
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Is it possible to sort distribution lists by the full names of the contained
> aliases, instead of the names of the aliases themselves?
> 
> For example, if I have
> 
>   - an alias "jsmith" for Smith, John <smith@john.org>,
>   - an alias "xdow" for Dow, Xiang <xd@email.com>, and
>   - an alias "all" for jsmith, xdow.
> 
> Then when I send email to "all", it ends up in the order
> 
>         Smith, John
>         Dow, Xiang
> 
> whereas I would prefer alphabetical by last name.
> 
> This is, of course, independent of whether I define "all" to be
> jsmith, xdow  or  xdow, jsmith,  because Pine always sorts distribution
> lists by alias name. :-(
> 
> Any thoughts/patches?
> Erik
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Which PINE are you using? If you are running UNIX Pine then you can set up
a small script to start the URL on the Windows machine (provided your
telnet emulation can pass this info, most telnet products have some means
of sending a file name or a string to the PC and then starting it through
its own macro and hence starting the browser by file type/extension).

		
Within my Pine I defined a one line "start" script that can access the
URL automatically. The telnet I use, AnzioWin, allows this to take place
with a simple shell string:  
	echo -e "\034winstart $1\035"
Other telnet apps have similar ways of doing this usually.

		
If you are using PC-Pine it should be almost as simple. In the system
config try setting the URL viewer to "start " (I think this will work).

		
On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Bryan K. Walton wrote:

		
> I have enabled message-view URLs in my Pine Setup.  Now, when a URL comes
> across in an email to me and I click on it, I get the following message:
> 
> "No URL-Viewer application defined!  Define now?" 
> 
> If I say yes, it says:
> 
> "Web Browser:"
> 
> Is there a way to point my Pine session to the Netscape browser on my hard
> drive?  I typed in the address C:\Program Files\Netscape\ . . . (the rest
> of the address for my browser) and it didn't work.  Is there a way to get
> this to work?
> 
> Thanks,
> Bryan Walton
> 
>  
> ***********************************************************************
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Hi 

		
I have a problem with pine (4.10) using our imap server. We are using
cyrus (1.5.19) as imap-server. The mailboxes already exist. Now, when
I try to add my IMAP-inbox via pine using the add command in the folder
list menu, I'm typing all the stuff like server, inbox, etc. and then I'm
asked for my passwd, [Busy ] appears and nothing happens. But when I edit
my .pinerc manually, everything is fine. 
Is this a bug in pine or in cyrus? 
Using mutt or netscape for imap acces causes no problems.

		
		Stefan Vacek **** ry98@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

		

		

		
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Here is what pine does from the main menu when I type "l" to go to the
list of folders:
  PINE 4.20   MAIN MENU                             Folder: INBOX  No Messages

		

		
       ?     HELP               -  Get help using Pine

		
       C     COMPOSE MESSAGE    -  Compose and send/post a message

		
       I     MESSAGE INDEX      -  View messages in current folder

		
       L     FOLDER LIST        -  Select a folder OR news group to view

		
       A     ADDRESS BOOK       -  Update address book

		
       S     SETUP              -  Configure Pine Options

		
       Q     QUIT               -  Leave the Pine program

		

		

		

		
   Copyright 1989-1999.  PINE is a trademark of the University of Washington.
                     [Formatting scroll text |----50%   |]
? Help                     P PrevCmd                 R RelNotes
O OTHER CMDS > [ListFldrs] N NextCmd                 K KBLock
                                                                 

		
And there it sits indefinately, until I disconnect my telnet session. 
^C doesn't work. What is formatting scroll text, and why does it do
this and hang up when I want to access my folder list?

		
In order to see my folders, I have to run the old version of pine
which doesn't do this scroll text thing---

		

		
             

		
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I just compiled and installed pine 4.20 on a FreeBSD box. The color
settings seem to be working fine, but I wanted to define some system
defaults in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf. When I put this line in there:

		
color-style=force-ansi-8color

		
It forces color on for everybody. Great, that's what I want. But when I
start putting specific color definitions in there, for example:

		
normal-foreground-color=blue
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title-foreground-color=white
title-background-color=red
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It doesn't seem to "take". Everyone still has the Pine default colors.

		
Is this a coding oversight, or do I just have the syntax wrong? Those
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Hi
I've posted this to the newsgroup a while ago, but have not gotten any 
replies at all, so thought I'd post this here.  I'm running PcPine on a 
PII Windows 95 machine.  I recently upgraded from Pine 4.10 to 4.20.  
When I did the upgrade, I simply unzipped the new file right over my pine 
dirrectory, allowing it to overwrite files.  I did not change such file 
as pinerc or the like.  When I ran Pine, I got the new welcome message, 
sent the anonymous e-mail, and then was presented with a very strange 
error message when trying to login to the IMAP server.  
Security problem: insecure server advertises auth=plane.  Authentication 
canseled.  No folder open.  
I have been running various versions of PCPine on this imap server for 
several months now and have never had a problem up until now.  Also when 
I went back to Pine 4.10 everything worked fine again.  Is this a known 
bug in Pine 4.20, or did I not configure something properly?  If it is a 
configuration problem what needs to be changed?  The Imap server in 
question is running PMDF V5.230.4.  The address is du.edu.
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Ryan

		
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Hi *,

		
Does some of you have the same problem:

		
In a filder, I read a new message (status 'N', go to another
folder without deleting the read messages.
Go back to the previous folter, some messages are still 'N' ???

		
X

		
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This is a known bug in early versions of Pine 4.20, and I believe has been
fixed on the files available from ftp.cac.washington.edu.

		
Pine guys:  Why haven't you released a Pine 4.21 yet?  It seems rather
silly to have two versions of Pine 4.20, one that works and one that
doesn't.

		
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On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Xavier wrote:

		
> Hi *,
> 
> Does some of you have the same problem:
> 
> In a filder, I read a new message (status 'N', go to another
> folder without deleting the read messages.
> Go back to the previous folter, some messages are still 'N' ???
> 
> X
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> Pine guys:  Why haven't you released a Pine 4.21 yet?  It seems rather
> silly to have two versions of Pine 4.20, one that works and one that
> doesn't.

		
It is in "beta" test at this very moment.

		
Ed

		
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From: Mike Miller <mbmiller@taxa.psyc.missouri.edu>
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I don't know if it is Pine's fault, but I can't seem to get 'white' as a
color when using 4.20 in a rxvt window.  The other colors look about
right, but 'white' is actually off-white, maybe ivory or near beige.  
Bolded characters *are* truly white though.  Does this have something to
do with compatibility of Pine with rxvt?  I'm running this all under
Solaris 2.6.

		
Second question:  [a little off topic] This is *not* Pine's fault, but I
can't figure out how to get rxvt to paste things from other windows.  I
can copy and paste *within* a single rxvt window using mouse buttons, but
I can't copy from one rxvt window and paste to another rxvt window.  Nor
can I copy from an xterm window or Netscape and paste to rxvt.  I'm hoping
that one of you will know the answer because I was told about rxvt by
someone on this list (because it allows me to use Pine's color features).  
Here's an important clue to the problem:  When I start rxvt, I get the
following error message:

		
    rxvt: input method doesn't support my preedit type

		
Anyone know how to fix this one?

		
Thanks much,

		
Mike

		
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On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Mike Miller wrote:

		
> I don't know if it is Pine's fault, but I can't seem to get 'white' as a
> color when using 4.20 in a rxvt window.  The other colors look about
> right, but 'white' is actually off-white, maybe ivory or near beige.  
> Bolded characters *are* truly white though.  Does this have something to
> do with compatibility of Pine with rxvt?  I'm running this all under
> Solaris 2.6.

		

		
Solution:

		
This was *not* a Pine problem, not quite anyway.  rxvt has color7 set to
Antique White instead of to White.  Pine calls color7 when you ask it for
white.  So, if you launch rxvt thusly,

		
rxvt --color7 White

		
it will use bright White instead of Antique White when Pine calls for
white.

		
Mike

		

		
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Yes, this is a bug. I think that your normal default colors should be
working, but not the others. If you replace the set_color_val function in
.../pine/other.c with the attached function, that should fix it. Will be
fixed in 4.21. Thanks!

		
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On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Kim Scarborough wrote:

		
> I just compiled and installed pine 4.20 on a FreeBSD box. The color
> settings seem to be working fine, but I wanted to define some system
> defaults in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf. When I put this line in there:
> 
> color-style=force-ansi-8color
> 
> It forces color on for everybody. Great, that's what I want. But when I
> start putting specific color definitions in there, for example:
> 
> normal-foreground-color=blue
> normal-background-color=white
> title-foreground-color=white
> title-background-color=red
> status-foreground-color=yellow
> status-background-color=black
> 
> It doesn't seem to "take". Everyone still has the Pine default colors.
> 
> Is this a coding oversight, or do I just have the syntax wrong? Those
> settings work fine in my own .pinerc.
> 
> 
> 

		
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I am having major problems with my address book, any help appreciated.

		
I am using PC-Pine 4.05 on a PII-Win95 machine, with an IMAP server. I
have 2 "local" address books, one on the IMAP server, one on PC. The PC
addressbook is OK, but I am unable to edit or add to the IMAP book. I get
the following messages when I attempt to edit or add to the IMAP server
book:

		
[Remote addrbook changed, aborting our change to avoid damage...]
[Resetting address book...]

		
I tried creating a new address book on the IMAP server, using
AddressBook|Add. I enter the following:

		
Server Name: imap.med.unc.edu
Folder Name: Addr
Nick Name  : Test

		
It processes this but the first time I try to open it, I get:
[Open by another process, access is read only]

		
and I can't edit it. It doesn't matter whether I enter the name of an
existing or new folder on the server. 

		
BTW, I have been using same PC-Pine install with same server for some
months with NO address book problems. However, in Sept, I crashed when
running out of INBOX space on server. My fix for this was to put read msgs
into a PC file so INBOX would not get large. Problem appeared after this
crash, the fix for which was to delete my INBOX file on server and create
a new empty one.

		

		
Chris Martin
UNC School of Medicine

		

		

		
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I like the new color features of Pine 4.20.  Will it ever be possible for
the Pine composer (I assume it is Pico somehow embedded in Pine) to use
color settings?  This would be especially useful for quoted text.  As it
stands, I see the colors only when I read the message, but if I start to
reply to it, the (very useful) colors vanish.

		
Regards,

		
Mike

		
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Would anyone happen to know how to set up PPC Pine (4.2) to work with ATT
Worldnet service?  I've been trying to follow the instructions, and am
able to send mail, but not receive it.

		
I set up the inbox path as {postoffice.att.net/pop3/user=myid}INBOX.  I
then connect to the service and run Pine.  It tries to download the mail,
but comes up with just a list of the headers.  Each message body is blank.
Does anyone have a clue as to what I'm doing wrong?

		
Also, where do the files that contain INBOX, SENTMAIL, and so on reside?
I've searched my whole hard disk for any changed files, and nothing, yet
the sent mail is there.  I can look at it from within pine, export message
text, and so on, but can't find any files that have been changed
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Thanks

		
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This was one of the points in a message I sent here within the past few
weeks, and today I received a message from the lynx mailing list that
shows the point more directly.

		
I got a letter that contains ONLY a text/plain part, and yet I still have to
hit v<return> to view the message, since it tells me it's not shown 
in the main part.

		
Is there no way to get the text/plain part shown automatically (instead of
the text/html)?   Or even as a workaround show it only when it's the only
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*** mattack@area.com (mattack@area.com) wrote Today:

		
:) 
:) This was one of the points in a message I sent here within the past few
:) weeks, and today I received a message from the lynx mailing list that
:) shows the point more directly.
:) 
:) I got a letter that contains ONLY a text/plain part, and yet I still have to
:) hit v<return> to view the message, since it tells me it's not shown 
:) in the main part.
:) 
:) Is there no way to get the text/plain part shown automatically (instead of
:) the text/html)?   Or even as a workaround show it only when it's the only
:) part.

		
The problem is due to the fact that the header Content-Transfer-Encoding
of the message is set to x-unknown, if you manually change it to 7bit
you'll not have any problem reading it. I do not know if there can be a
fix within pine for this problem.

		
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

		

		
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Hi,

		
I'm using pine 4.20 on

		
Caldera Open Linux
Linux 2.0.33 #1 Wed Jan 7 09:11:54 MST 1998 i586 unknown

		
I have wrote a letter, stored it in the Form Letter Folder, where I can
read it. When composing a letter, pine asks me whether to use postponed
mail or form letter folder. When I type yes to form letter folder, pine
crashes.

		
This is the last message in .pine-debug1

		
=== send called ===
about to end_tty_driver
Pine Panic: Received abort signal

		

		
I compiled pine with the lnx option.

		
Any hints? My fault? Or bug?

		
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I am having major problems with my address book--can't edit it--any help
will be appreciated.

		
I have been using PC-Pine 4.05 on a PII-Win95 machine with an IMAP server
for well over a year. I have 2 "local" address books, one on the IMAP
server, one on the PC. The PC addressbook is OK, but I am unable to edit
or add to the IMAP book. I get the following messages whenever I attempt
to edit or add to the IMAP server book:

		
[Remote addrbook changed, aborting our change to avoid damage...]
[Resetting address book...]

		
I tried creating a new address book on the IMAP server, using
AddressBook|Add. I entered the following:

		
Server Name: imap.med.unc.edu
Folder Name: Addr
Nick Name  : Test

		
Pine processes this request but the first time I try to open this new
address book, I get:
[Open by another process, access is read only]

		
and I can't edit it. It doesn't matter whether I enter the name of an
existing or new folder on the server. 

		
BTW, for many months I used and edited the server address book, and in
fact had not even used a local (PC-file) book. However, in Sept Pine
crashed after running out of INBOX space on server. To fix this, I deleted
(accidentally) my INBOX on the IMAP server, then created a new empty one.
Currently, I move read msgs into a PC file so IMAP INBOX will not get too
large again. The address book problem began after this crash.

		

		
Chris Martin
UNC Chapel Hill

		

		
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Hi,

		
I have yet an other problem with my new pine 4.20.

		
Read messages are sometimes marked as new, when I reopen the folder, and
even when I restart pine after quit.

		
Strange!
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You're new, aren't you?

		

		

		
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:

		
> Hi,
> 
> I have yet an other problem with my new pine 4.20.
> 
> Read messages are sometimes marked as new, when I reopen the folder, and
> even when I restart pine after quit.
> 
> Strange!
> juh
> 
> 

		
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Ken Woods wrote on 11.11.99:

		
>
>You're new, aren't you?
>

		
O! (blushing!) Sorry, yes, I should have consulted the mail-archive before. 
It is indeed my first day on the list, although I use pine for years.

		
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Well, at least you knew enough to look at it without step-by-step
instructions.  :)

		
BTW, Welcome to pine-info.

		
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:

		
> Ken Woods wrote on 11.11.99:
> 
> >
> >You're new, aren't you?
> >
> 
> O! (blushing!) Sorry, yes, I should have consulted the mail-archive before. 
> It is indeed my first day on the list, although I use pine for years.
> 
> Ciao!
> juh
> 
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> 
> 
> 

		

		
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I have an application in which I use a script to create a form, then
hand the form off to pine as its message body.  The only way I've
found to do this, is to edit .pinerc before invoking pine, setting
signature-file to the name of the file containing the form.  The
disadvantage to using signature-file, is that two null lines are
inserted before the message body.  Anyone know of a better way to do
this?

		
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Ed Arnold wrote:

		
> I have an application in which I use a script to create a form, then
> hand the form off to pine as its message body.  The only way I've
> found to do this, is to edit .pinerc before invoking pine, setting
> signature-file to the name of the file containing the form.  The
> disadvantage to using signature-file, is that two null lines are
> inserted before the message body.  Anyone know of a better way to do
> this?

		

		
You can use pine in a script like this:

		
cat filename | fmt -w 75 | pine

		
This will launch pine with the stdin in the message body.  I do this many
times each day.  It works great.  It doesn't matter if another copy of
pine is running (no effect at all).

		

		
One thing I don't like, and I've said it before but was ignored:  Older
versions of pine would not prompt about continuing a postponed message
when pine was used at the end of a pipe.  That seems appropriate to me.  
Now pine does prompt.  If you say 'Y' by mistake, it kills what you were
trying to do.  I wish they'd fix that one.  I don't think it could be hard
to fix.

		
Regards,

		
Mike

		
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Mike Miller wrote:
>You can use pine in a script like this:
>
>cat filename | fmt -w 75 | pine
>
>This will launch pine with the stdin in the message body.  I do this many
>times each day.  It works great.  It doesn't matter if another copy of
>pine is running (no effect at all).

		
Yikes, I just tried this.

		
It ends up going into pine 'live'..

		
(I catted some junk into a temp file, then
cat asdf | pine mattack@area.com )

		
is there some way I can do this so that it DOESN'T throw me into pine,
but 
1) Mails the message and
2) puts it in my sent mail folder?

		
Especially if the message then looks like it's from me.  I've rarely done it
but once in a while I try to forward a Usenet post by just
| mail whoever@wherever.com

		
and the message then looks like it came from the Usenet poster, not me.
(Someone a few weeks ago thought one I sent was spam!)  Of course going into
my sent mail folder is good too.

		
Heck, this may even be usable if I can set up Lynx to use pine as a mailto:
mailer for the rare times I send letters from mailto: links.  

		

		
(RAMBLE/RANT begins: This is one of the very few complaints I have about UNIX
programs compared to some GUI programs -- while UNIX programs obviously use
other programs to do part of their work, it seems harder/not possible to link
_high level user kinds of programs_ together..  No, I know I can use an
external editor and I do that now already [I probably wouldn't use pine if I
couldn't use vim as my editor]..  But I guess I mean higher level interaction
other than using an editor.)

		

		
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Revisiting my previous query about getting a message body into pine,

		
Mike Miller pointed out that you can cat a file into it, which gives
one a live session.  Unfortunately, in my case, I am using a
"-url mailto:...?Subject=..." argument to pine at the same time.
Thus, I can't cat a file into it (the result of trying to do that is
a pine abort and core dump).  The only way I've found to accomplish
what I need, is the trick with signature-file in .pinerc or -signature-file
on the command line.

		
I suspect that pine is the wrong tool for non-interactive mailing.

		
> On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Mike Miller wrote:
> >You can use pine in a script like this:
> >
> >cat filename | fmt -w 75 | pine
> >
> >This will launch pine with the stdin in the message body.  I do this many
> >times each day.  It works great.  It doesn't matter if another copy of
> >pine is running (no effect at all).
> 
> Yikes, I just tried this.
> 
> It ends up going into pine 'live'..
> 
> (I catted some junk into a temp file, then
> cat asdf | pine mattack@area.com )
> 
> is there some way I can do this so that it DOESN'T throw me into pine,
> but 
> 1) Mails the message and
> 2) puts it in my sent mail folder?
> 
> Especially if the message then looks like it's from me.  I've rarely done it
> but once in a while I try to forward a Usenet post by just
> | mail whoever@wherever.com
> 
> and the message then looks like it came from the Usenet poster, not me.
> (Someone a few weeks ago thought one I sent was spam!)  Of course going into
> my sent mail folder is good too.
> 
> Heck, this may even be usable if I can set up Lynx to use pine as a mailto:
> mailer for the rare times I send letters from mailto: links.  
> 
> 
> (RAMBLE/RANT begins: This is one of the very few complaints I have about UNIX
> programs compared to some GUI programs -- while UNIX programs obviously use
> other programs to do part of their work, it seems harder/not possible to link
> _high level user kinds of programs_ together..  No, I know I can use an
> external editor and I do that now already [I probably wouldn't use pine if I
> couldn't use vim as my editor]..  But I guess I mean higher level interaction
> other than using an editor.)

		

		
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On Nov 11, 1999 at 16:44, Ed Arnold wrote:

		
> I have an application in which I use a script to create a form, then
> hand the form off to pine as its message body.  The only way I've

		
What kind of script? You should hand the message off to sendmail, not
pine.

		
On Nov 11, 1999 at 16:49, mattack@area.com wrote:

		
> Heck, this may even be usable if I can set up Lynx to use pine as a mailto:
> mailer for the rare times I send letters from mailto: links.  

		
Nope, lynx is smart and hands the emssage to sendmail. directly.

		
> (RAMBLE/RANT begins: This is one of the very few complaints I have about UNIX
> programs compared to some GUI programs -- while UNIX programs obviously use
> other programs to do part of their work, it seems harder/not possible to link
> _high level user kinds of programs_ together..  No, I know I can use an
> external editor and I do that now already [I probably wouldn't use pine if I
> couldn't use vim as my editor]..  But I guess I mean higher level interaction
> other than using an editor.)

		
You miss the point. In Unix, a program is expected to do one job and do it
well. "high level user kinds of programs" are implemented with plumbing.
You're trying to get pine to do mail delivery, which is not it's job. That
is sendmail's job. Pine's job is to be a mail user agent. In Ed's case,
the UA is the script. In your case, it's Lynx.

		
On Nov 11, 1999 at 19:38, Ed Arnold wrote:

		
> I suspect that pine is the wrong tool for non-interactive mailing.

		
Yes.

		
-- 
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http://satyaonline.cjb.net/

		

		
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Ed Arnold wrote:

		
> one a live session.  Unfortunately, in my case, I am using a
> "-url mailto:...?Subject=..." argument to pine at the same time.
> Thus, I can't cat a file into it (the result of trying to do that is
> a pine abort and core dump).  The only way I've found to accomplish
> what I need, is the trick with signature-file in .pinerc or -signature-file
> on the command line.
> 
> I suspect that pine is the wrong tool for non-interactive mailing.

		

		
If you don't need to 'interact' at all, and the message is ready to send
without further editing, you can (and should) use something else.  For
example:

		
process file | mailx -s "This is the Subject" bob@someplace.com

		
That line starts with some process operating on a file to produce some
output.  That is piped through mailx.  I'm using Solaris operating system
and I find that mailx does the job for me.  (man mailx).

		
You can also take a file and mail it (don't need to use 'cat') as follows:

		
mailx -s "This is the Subject" bob@someplace.com < filename

		
That will mail the file named "filename" to 'bob@someplace.com' with the
Subject "This is the Subject".

		
Regards,

		
Mike

		
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Hi all

		
This is my first posting to this mailing list and I am new to Pine. I am using
PC-Pine 4.20 on my Windows NT machine and connecting to a POP3 server for
getting mails.

		
Pine does not delete the mails on the server after recieving it. Is there
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I actually have a similar need. While this is getting away from pine in
many respects, I want to do a script line similar to what you have below
with two files:
	The first file needs to be included as an attachment
	The second file (all text) needs to be dropped in as the message
	 body.

		
I have tried the below approach but it seems to not work or attachmnt:
does not go correctly, and then cat'ing the text file in to the body seems
to not be consistent. I too have tried to automate this with pine also,
but not much success. Any suggestions out there?

		
Bobby Ezell
RSI

		
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Mike Miller wrote:

		
> On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Ed Arnold wrote:
> 
> > one a live session.  Unfortunately, in my case, I am using a
> > "-url mailto:...?Subject=..." argument to pine at the same time.
> > Thus, I can't cat a file into it (the result of trying to do that is
> > a pine abort and core dump).  The only way I've found to accomplish
> > what I need, is the trick with signature-file in .pinerc or -signature-file
> > on the command line.
> > 
> > I suspect that pine is the wrong tool for non-interactive mailing.
> 
> 
> If you don't need to 'interact' at all, and the message is ready to send
> without further editing, you can (and should) use something else.  For
> example:
> 
> process file | mailx -s "This is the Subject" bob@someplace.com
> 
> That line starts with some process operating on a file to produce some
> output.  That is piped through mailx.  I'm using Solaris operating system
> and I find that mailx does the job for me.  (man mailx).
> 
> You can also take a file and mail it (don't need to use 'cat') as follows:
> 
> mailx -s "This is the Subject" bob@someplace.com < filename
> 
> That will mail the file named "filename" to 'bob@someplace.com' with the
> Subject "This is the Subject".
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike
> 
> -- 
> Michael B. Miller
> University of Missouri--Columbia
> http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/
> 

		
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I found that the problem I was having could be solved by dropping the
"-url" argument and using a "-customized-hdrs" argument instead, like:

		
 cat $TmpMsgFile | \
 pine -customized-hdrs="Subject: $MsgTitle,Reply-To: $USER@ucar.edu" \
 $DestEmailAddrs

		
Pine's "customized-hdrs" variable will accept header names and values,
whereas "default-composer-hdrs" accepts only header names.

		
I tried this with -attach.  So long as "-attach" comes before the
other args, it seems to work.  I.e. this should do what you want:

		
cat $bodyfile | \
pine -attach $attachfile -customized-hdrs="Subject: clowns" bozo@bozo.com

		

		

		
> I actually have a similar need. While this is getting away from pine in
> many respects, I want to do a script line similar to what you have below
> with two files:
> 	The first file needs to be included as an attachment
> 	The second file (all text) needs to be dropped in as the message
> 	 body.
> 
> I have tried the below approach but it seems to not work or attachmnt:
> does not go correctly, and then cat'ing the text file in to the body seems
> to not be consistent. I too have tried to automate this with pine also,
> but not much success. Any suggestions out there?
> 
> Bobby Ezell
> RSI
> 
> On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Mike Miller wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Ed Arnold wrote:
> > 
> > > one a live session.  Unfortunately, in my case, I am using a
> > > "-url mailto:...?Subject=..." argument to pine at the same time.
> > > Thus, I can't cat a file into it (the result of trying to do that is
> > > a pine abort and core dump).  The only way I've found to accomplish
> > > what I need, is the trick with signature-file in .pinerc or -signature-file
> > > on the command line.
> > > 
> > > I suspect that pine is the wrong tool for non-interactive mailing.
> > 
> > 
> > If you don't need to 'interact' at all, and the message is ready to send
> > without further editing, you can (and should) use something else.  For
> > example:
> > 
> > process file | mailx -s "This is the Subject" bob@someplace.com
> > 
> > That line starts with some process operating on a file to produce some
> > output.  That is piped through mailx.  I'm using Solaris operating system
> > and I find that mailx does the job for me.  (man mailx).
> > 
> > You can also take a file and mail it (don't need to use 'cat') as follows:
> > 
> > mailx -s "This is the Subject" bob@someplace.com < filename
> > 
> > That will mail the file named "filename" to 'bob@someplace.com' with the
> > Subject "This is the Subject".
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > -- 
> > Michael B. Miller
> > University of Missouri--Columbia
> > http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/
> > 
> 
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Mike Miller wrote:
>If you don't need to 'interact' at all, and the message is ready to send
>without further editing, you can (and should) use something else.  For
>example:
>
>process file | mailx -s "This is the Subject" bob@someplace.com

		
How can I get such a letter like this put in my sent-mail folder on my IMAP
account?

		
I know I'm not the originator of this discussion, but I really wish I had
one place, my sent-mail folder, to go to look for ALL mail I send from this
account.

		

		
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Is there a way to have the numbers of read and unread mails listed
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Reason: I want to have an overview how many new mails in which folders
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I have an inbox collection. All messages which are within INBOX stay
there till I quite pine. BUT: Read messages within other inboxes are
moved to the "pruned folder" when leaving the folder.

		
How can I tell pine to leave the messages there till I quit pine, like
it is at the INBOX folder?

		
Thanks for your help!
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Hi all

		
I was trying to use PC-Pine 4.20 as my pop3 email client to Yahoo!'s
pop3 server. Yahoo! provides a Delivery service by which you can access
yahoo mails from your local pop3 client. I configured pine to use the
Yahoo server as follows :

		
     {pop.mail.yahoo.com/user=userName/pop3}INBOX

		
and restarted pine. It never contacts the server. It keeps waiting for a
long time. I am able to ping to pop.mail.yahoo.com from DOS prompt.
After long time it asked whether the connection to server should be
broken. If I say yes, it gives a Illegal Access Violation dialog and the
program terminates.

		
I have stopped using pine for these reasons although I would like to
continue using it if these problems are solved.

		
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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Shiv Kumar wrote:

		
> I was trying to use PC-Pine 4.20 as my pop3 email client to Yahoo!'s
> pop3 server. Yahoo! provides a Delivery service by which you can access
> yahoo mails from your local pop3 client. I configured pine to use the
> Yahoo server as follows :
> 
>      {pop.mail.yahoo.com/user=userName/pop3}INBOX

		
Shouldn't it be {address/pop3/user=username}INBOX?

		
James

		

		
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Subject: UUCP-style address doesn't accepted by pine 4.05
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Hello !

		
I'm using FreeBSD 2.2.8 and pine 4.05. The problem is, that i have a UUCP link
from my home (sendmail configured to relay ALL mail to university host via
UUCP), and it works cool - i can send the mail to any address in standart
notation:

		
username@host.domain. 

		
But when i receive the mail, all addreses in here (and return address to) was
in UUCP notation:

		
my_relay_host!host.domain!username

		
If i answer via standart freebsd mail, the address to reply stay in UUCP
notation without changes (and it delivers normally), but then i answer via
pine, it adds to the end of the addres my domain:

		
my_relay_host!host.domain!username@my_domain

		
and such addres can't be resolved at all. If i set domain to <No Value>
it adds localhost instead:

		
my_relay_host!host.domain!username@localhost

		
I can't find the way to switch off such feature. Of course, i can search the
sources and correct this, but may be somebody know the standart way to do so ?
In the archive of this mailing list was only six messages regarding UUCP, and
no one for my problem. May be, UUCP usage went down ?

		
P.S. Sorry for my poor English.
---------------
Alex Derevyanko.

		

		

		
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This occurs because Pine doesn't close the INBOX folder until you quit,
even if you're in another folder.  That is why you can still get new
message notification at the bottom of your screen when you're in another
folder.

		
IMO, the best fix for this would be to keep ALL Incoming-Folders open
(beginning the first time you access them) until you quit Pine.  Does
anyone know if this is possible?

		
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On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Claus Atzenbeck wrote:

		
> I have an inbox collection. All messages which are within INBOX stay
> there till I quite pine. BUT: Read messages within other inboxes are
> moved to the "pruned folder" when leaving the folder.
> 
> How can I tell pine to leave the messages there till I quit pine, like
> it is at the INBOX folder?
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> Claus.
> 
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On 99-11-12 Satya <satyap@bom2.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> On Nov 11, 1999 at 16:44, Ed Arnold wrote:
> 
> > I have an application in which I use a script to create a
> > form, then hand the form off to pine as its message body.
> 
> What kind of script? You should hand the message off to
> sendmail, not pine.

		
But if you want to use your pine configuration, e.g., custom
headers, roles, Fcc, address book nicknames, etc., being able to
use pine in a script would be great.

		
Nancy
add my name to the growing list of people who want to use pine
non-interactively

		
PS - Some people have posted that they use expect so you might
want to check that out.

		
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Check out:

		
                           OPTION: Use-Only-Domain-Name

		
This option is used only if the "user-domain" option is not set. If set to
"Yes" (and user-domain is not used), then Pine strips the hostname from
your return ("From") address and when completing unqualified addresses
that you enter into the composer.

		
If you set this, see also the "quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file" feature.

		
 *  Finding more information and requesting help

		
<End of help on this topic>

		

		
It's in (M)ain, (S)etup, (C)onfig, near the bottom of the list.

		
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On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, der wrote:

		
> 
> Hello !
> 
> I'm using FreeBSD 2.2.8 and pine 4.05. The problem is, that i have a UUCP link
> from my home (sendmail configured to relay ALL mail to university host via
> UUCP), and it works cool - i can send the mail to any address in standart
> notation:
> 
> username@host.domain. 
> 
> But when i receive the mail, all addreses in here (and return address to) was
> in UUCP notation:
> 
> my_relay_host!host.domain!username
> 
> If i answer via standart freebsd mail, the address to reply stay in UUCP
> notation without changes (and it delivers normally), but then i answer via
> pine, it adds to the end of the addres my domain:
> 
> my_relay_host!host.domain!username@my_domain
> 
> and such addres can't be resolved at all. If i set domain to <No Value>
> it adds localhost instead:
> 
> my_relay_host!host.domain!username@localhost
> 
> I can't find the way to switch off such feature. Of course, i can search the
> sources and correct this, but may be somebody know the standart way to do so ?
> In the archive of this mailing list was only six messages regarding UUCP, and
> no one for my problem. May be, UUCP usage went down ?
> 
> P.S. Sorry for my poor English.
> ---------------
> Alex Derevyanko.
> 
> 
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Hi

		
I am sure this has been discussed earlier. But I am new to this list and I did
not find a FAQ on this.

		
Is it possible to change the Folder List screen to include details about how
many mails are available and how many of them are new. I am looking at
something like this :

		
    Folder Name     Unread      Total
    INBOX           2           20
    sentmail        0           14
    Pine_List       5           28
    Vim_List        16          43

		
Is there any setting to enable this view? I am using PC-Pine 4.20 on NT.

		
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I am trying to set up PC-PINE on my machine, but am having problems.  It
seems there is a piece missing:  the Windows equivalent of a sendmail
program.  It needs some sort of daemon process that will download
waiting mail when I dial in to my ISP, and take mail I compose and store
it until the next time I'm connected, then mail it.  Is there such a
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When I first ran PC-PINE on my machine, it placed the mail files
(SENTMAIL.MTX and so on) in the directory C:\MYDOCU~1\MAIL.  I reset the
paths in pinerc to the proper directory (default-fcc=
g:\mail\sentmail.mtx, etc.), and copied the .MTX files to it.  However,
when I run pine, I don't see them, only INBOX.  How do I get these files
to show up?

		
What I'm trying to do is to be able to share the message files between
PC-Pine and Linux, so I don't have to switch system to see a particular
piece of mail.  Has anyone else done this?

		
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PC-Pine is only set up to use SMTP to send mail, so you'll need to
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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, James Frye wrote:

		
> I am trying to set up PC-PINE on my machine, but am having problems.  It
> seems there is a piece missing:  the Windows equivalent of a sendmail
> program.  It needs some sort of daemon process that will download
> waiting mail when I dial in to my ISP, and take mail I compose and store
> it until the next time I'm connected, then mail it.  Is there such a
> program, and if so, where can I find it?
> 
> Thanks,
> James
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       I know there was a thread on this in pine-info, which was never
even touched, but there appears to be a bug in the 4.20 version of pine
under linux/unix that is very inconsistant. Very specific messages show up
as read when I read them, and then when I load up another folder, and go
back to the original folder, they show up as unread again. I've moved the
messages back and forth between folders, reading them again and again all
over the place, and they still do not show up as read permanently.
 
       Any ideas?

		
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*** David A. Desrosiers (hacker@downcity.net) wrote Today:

		
:) 
:)        I know there was a thread on this in pine-info, which was never
:) even touched, but there appears to be a bug in the 4.20 version of pine
:) under linux/unix that is very inconsistant. Very specific messages show up
:) as read when I read them, and then when I load up another folder, and go
:) back to the original folder, they show up as unread again. I've moved the
:) messages back and forth between folders, reading them again and again all
:) over the place, and they still do not show up as read permanently.
:)  

		
This is actually a FAQ already, but will probably be forgotten very soon
when 4.21 appears.

		
What happens is that there is a bug in the c-client, which has been
addressed and fixed. The best solution is to pick the new imap
distribution package (from UW's ftp site) and replace it for the one you
have and recompile.

		
Hope this helps, have a good day.

		
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

		

		
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	Did that last night. Same errors. Any other ideas? 

		
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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

		
> *** David A. Desrosiers (hacker@downcity.net) wrote Today:
> 
> :) 
> :)        I know there was a thread on this in pine-info, which was never
> :) even touched, but there appears to be a bug in the 4.20 version of pine
> :) under linux/unix that is very inconsistant. Very specific messages show up
> :) as read when I read them, and then when I load up another folder, and go
> :) back to the original folder, they show up as unread again. I've moved the
> :) messages back and forth between folders, reading them again and again all
> :) over the place, and they still do not show up as read permanently.
> :)  
> 
> This is actually a FAQ already, but will probably be forgotten very soon
> when 4.21 appears.
> 
> What happens is that there is a bug in the c-client, which has been
> addressed and fixed. The best solution is to pick the new imap
> distribution package (from UW's ftp site) and replace it for the one you
> have and recompile.
> 
> Hope this helps, have a good day.
> 
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
> 

		

		
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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, David A. Desrosiers wrote:

		
> 
> 	Did that last night. Same errors. Any other ideas? 

		
Try it with imap-4.7.BETA.tar.gz.  Untar this and replace the imap dir in
your pine source tree with this one, and then build the whole thing, and
all should be well.

		
Cheers,

		
Ed.

		

		

		
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Shiv Kumar wrote:

		
> I am sure this has been discussed earlier. But I am new to this list and I did
> not find a FAQ on this.
> 
> Is it possible to change the Folder List screen to include details about how
> many mails are available and how many of them are new. I am looking at
> something like this :
> 
>     Folder Name     Unread      Total
>     INBOX           2           20
>     sentmail        0           14
>     Pine_List       5           28
>     Vim_List        16          43
> 
> Is there any setting to enable this view? I am using PC-Pine 4.20 on NT.

		
This would be perfect for me as well!! I'm using Pine 4.10 on
LinuxPPC.

		
Claus.

		
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Does anyone know what controls whether delivery status notification is
supoprted by the server? Is that something in the sendmail.cfg?

		
When I try and send a message now, I get
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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:

		
> PC-Pine is only set up to use SMTP to send mail, so you'll need to
> determine the name of your SMTP server and have Pine use that.

		
So maybe what I need is a SMTP server for Windows?  I will look around for
something like that.

		
Thanks,
James

		
PS: Is there any actual documentation for Pine?  All I can find is either
the online help, or various web pages.  They're ok when you want to find
info on some particular setting, but frustrating when you want an overview
of how everything works together.

		
> 
> On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, James Frye wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to set up PC-PINE on my machine, but am having problems.  It
> > seems there is a piece missing:  the Windows equivalent of a sendmail
> > program.  It needs some sort of daemon process that will download
> > waiting mail when I dial in to my ISP, and take mail I compose and store
> > it until the next time I'm connected, then mail it.  Is there such a
> > program, and if so, where can I find it?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > James
> > 
> > -- 
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Actually, your university (or ISP, if you're connecting from home through
another account) should have an SMTP server you can use, provided you're
connected to the Internet when you send the message.  Otherwise, if you
want to do offline mail with Pine, you probably would want to get a local
SMTP server.

		
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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, James Frye wrote:

		
> On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> 
> > PC-Pine is only set up to use SMTP to send mail, so you'll need to
> > determine the name of your SMTP server and have Pine use that.
> 
> So maybe what I need is a SMTP server for Windows?  I will look around for
> something like that.
> 
> Thanks,
> James
> 
> PS: Is there any actual documentation for Pine?  All I can find is either
> the online help, or various web pages.  They're ok when you want to find
> info on some particular setting, but frustrating when you want an overview
> of how everything works together.
> 
> > 
> > On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, James Frye wrote:
> > 
> > > I am trying to set up PC-PINE on my machine, but am having problems.  It
> > > seems there is a piece missing:  the Windows equivalent of a sendmail
> > > program.  It needs some sort of daemon process that will download
> > > waiting mail when I dial in to my ISP, and take mail I compose and store
> > > it until the next time I'm connected, then mail it.  Is there such a
> > > program, and if so, where can I find it?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > James
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >  For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: 
> > >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 

		

		
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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:

		
> Actually, your university (or ISP, if you're connecting from home through
> another account) should have an SMTP server you can use, provided you're
> connected to the Internet when you send the message. 

		
Well, that's the problem.  PC-Pine works fairly well as-is (except for
minor quirks like asking for the password each time I access the ISP), as
long as I'm connected when I'm sending (or reading) mail.  I use a dial-up
connection, though, and don't want to have the phone line tied up all the
time while I'm reading or writing mail.

		
> Otherwise, if you want to do offline mail with Pine, you probably
> would want to get a local SMTP server.

		
I've downloaded a couple, but haven't tried them out yet.  At first
glance, everything I found seems like extreme overkill for my needs.

		
Thanks,
James

		

		
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Jim,

		
> Does anyone know what controls whether delivery status notification is
> supoprted by the server? Is that something in the sendmail.cfg?
>
> When I try and send a message now, I get
> [Delivery Status Notification not available from this server.]

		
It is good to see you know this to be a server related issue.  The server must
respond support the ESMTP verb "DSN" as described in RFC-1891.  Apparently, the
one you are connecting to doesn't understand "DSN".

		
I'm not sure if it is a configuration option in sendmail.cf or if you need to
compile support for DSN when you build sendmail.  I think you should try the
comp.mail.sendmail newsgroup for a more definitive response.

		
Regards,
Ed

		

		
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On 99-11-14 James Frye <frye@cs.unr.edu> wrote:
> Well, that's the problem.  PC-Pine works fairly well as-is
> (except for minor quirks like asking for the password each time
> I access the ISP), as long as I'm connected when I'm sending
> (or reading) mail.  I use a dial-up connection, though, and
> don't want to have the phone line tied up all the time while
> I'm reading or writing mail.

		
You can find out how to get PC-Pine to save your password and how
to use it when you're disconnected at my "Setting Up PC-Pine for
Power Users," which is mirrored at:

		
 Primary: http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/
 Backup: http://www.best.com/~ii/internet/messaging/pine/pc/

		

		
Good luck,
Nancy

		

		
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Pine only deals in standard Internet addresses, so the @domain part is
needed. I think the way to fix this is to make your FreeBSD sendmail
program recognize addresses like a!b!user@mydomain and have it strip
mydomain and send it. A standard sendmail config should do that. That
would make the uucp addresses accessible from anywhere on the Internet,
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On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, der wrote:

		
> 
> Hello !
> 
> I'm using FreeBSD 2.2.8 and pine 4.05. The problem is, that i have a UUCP link
> from my home (sendmail configured to relay ALL mail to university host via
> UUCP), and it works cool - i can send the mail to any address in standart
> notation:
> 
> username@host.domain. 
> 
> But when i receive the mail, all addreses in here (and return address to) was
> in UUCP notation:
> 
> my_relay_host!host.domain!username
> 
> If i answer via standart freebsd mail, the address to reply stay in UUCP
> notation without changes (and it delivers normally), but then i answer via
> pine, it adds to the end of the addres my domain:
> 
> my_relay_host!host.domain!username@my_domain
> 
> and such addres can't be resolved at all. If i set domain to <No Value>
> it adds localhost instead:
> 
> my_relay_host!host.domain!username@localhost
> 
> I can't find the way to switch off such feature. Of course, i can search the
> sources and correct this, but may be somebody know the standart way to do so ?
> In the archive of this mailing list was only six messages regarding UUCP, and
> no one for my problem. May be, UUCP usage went down ?
> 
> P.S. Sorry for my poor English.
> ---------------
> Alex Derevyanko.
> 
> 
> 
> 

		

		
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Jim,
  Yes, it's kind of an obscure sendmail config if I remember
correctly. DSN is tied together with the Mime error handling. You have to
turn on both of them or neither. I think it is turned on by default. The
config variable is "SendMimeErrors" in the .cf file, or
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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Jim Tatz wrote:

		
> Does anyone know what controls whether delivery status notification is
> supoprted by the server? Is that something in the sendmail.cfg?
> 
> When I try and send a message now, I get
> [Delivery Status Notification not available from this server.]
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim

		

		

		
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I am fairly new to pine as well as this discussion group and I have what
is probably a simple question.
Can anyone tell me how to transfer mail messages from my inbox to another
folder which i have created? Maybe I'm blind but I couldn't locate it in
any help files. 

		
Thanks much

		
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 derek@unisono.net.mx wrote:

		
> I am fairly new to pine as well as this discussion group and I have what
> is probably a simple question.
> Can anyone tell me how to transfer mail messages from my inbox to another
> folder which i have created? Maybe I'm blind but I couldn't locate it in
> any help files. 

		

		
Funny you should ask because my wife just asked me the same question
within the last hour.  Pine won't allow you to rename the INBOX, for good
reason.  So you have to use 'Select' and 'Apply' commands.

		
First, go into the Menu Setup Configure and make sure this box is checked:

		
   [X]  enable-aggregate-command-set

		
Then go to the INBOX and do the following:

		
;  (Select)
A  select All
  (I'm not sure if you have to Zoom here, I have pine set to 'zoom'
   automatically.)
A  Apply
S  Save

		
Once you're done saving, you can use eXpunge to get rid of all the Deleted
messages.

		
Mike

		
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, mbmiller@taxa.psyc.missouri.edu wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 derek@unisono.net.mx wrote:
>=20
>
> > Can anyone tell me how to transfer mail messages from my inbox to ano=
ther
> > folder which i have created? Maybe I'm blind but I couldn't locate it=
 in
> > any help files.=20
>=20
>=20
> Funny you should ask because my wife just asked me the same question
> within the last hour.  Pine won't allow you to rename the INBOX, for go=
od
> reason.  So you have to use 'Select' and 'Apply' commands.
>=20
> First, go into the Menu Setup Configure and make sure this box is check=
ed:
>=20
>    [X]  enable-aggregate-command-set
>=20
> Then go to the INBOX and do the following:
>=20
> ;  (Select)
> A  select All
>   (I'm not sure if you have to Zoom here, I have pine set to 'zoom'
>    automatically.)
> A  Apply
> S  Save
>=20
> Once you're done saving, you can use eXpunge to get rid of all the Dele=
ted
> messages.
>=20

		
Maybe I misunderstand what he wants to do, but isn't it easier to just le=
t them
go to the default saved folder (on exit), then move them next time? But I=
 guess
you have to read or mark-read them to do that, which may not be what he w=
ants.

		

		

		

		

		

		
> Mike
>=20
> --=20
> Michael B. Miller

		

		
> University of Missouri--Columbia
> http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/
--=20
Ralph (George A. Magill)
gmagill@abcs.com
ralph@hempseed.com

		

		
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Mike Miller wrote:

		
>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:37:14 -0600 (CST)
>From: Mike Miller <mbmiller@taxa.psyc.missouri.edu>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: transferring messages
>
>On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 derek@unisono.net.mx wrote:
>
>> I am fairly new to pine as well as this discussion group and I have what
>> is probably a simple question.
>> Can anyone tell me how to transfer mail messages from my inbox to another
>> folder which i have created? Maybe I'm blind but I couldn't locate it in
>> any help files. 
>
>
>Funny you should ask because my wife just asked me the same question
>within the last hour.  Pine won't allow you to rename the INBOX, for good
>reason.  So you have to use 'Select' and 'Apply' commands.

		
I don't save messages much, but when I do, I usually do it one at a time..
I think a lot of people save messages while reading them too..

		
So it may fit more into someone's preferences to just hit 's' while they're
reading a message, and type in the folder name (you can type part of it and
hit tab to auto-fill in the rest), or hit the proper command to bring up
the list where you can visually select the folder..

		
(I sort of wish that were the default -- that when I hit 's' it went to the
list of folders, maybe even on the bottom 2 lines instead of erasing the whole
screen.)

		

		
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:
>You can find out how to get PC-Pine to save your password and how
>to use it when you're disconnected at my "Setting Up PC-Pine for
>Power Users," which is mirrored at:
>
> Primary: http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/
> Backup: http://www.best.com/~ii/internet/messaging/pine/pc/

		
(tried to send email, unmunging the address as 'obvious' but it bounced)

		
Is there a way I can do this for the UNIX pine?

		
I looked at those directions and they referred to a %home%Pine directory.
Making the analogous leap to UNIX, there's no ~/Pine directory, so I presume
it doesn't work.

		

		
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George,

		
Mike's advice worked perfectly for what I wanted to do although what I
wanted to do was move certain messages to a new folder and not the entire
content of the inbox. Which I was easily able to figure out how to do as
well
from the commands Mike listed. Thanks anyhow.

		
d.r.

		
On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, George A. Magill wrote:

		
> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, mbmiller@taxa.psyc.missouri.edu wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 derek@unisono.net.mx wrote:
> > 
> >
> > > Can anyone tell me how to transfer mail messages from my inbox to another
> > > folder which i have created? Maybe I'm blind but I couldn't locate it in
> > > any help files. 
> > 
> > 
> > Funny you should ask because my wife just asked me the same question
> > within the last hour.  Pine won't allow you to rename the INBOX, for good
> > reason.  So you have to use 'Select' and 'Apply' commands.
> > 
> > First, go into the Menu Setup Configure and make sure this box is checked:
> > 
> >    [X]  enable-aggregate-command-set
> > 
> > Then go to the INBOX and do the following:
> > 
> > ;  (Select)
> > A  select All
> >   (I'm not sure if you have to Zoom here, I have pine set to 'zoom'
> >    automatically.)
> > A  Apply
> > S  Save
> > 
> > Once you're done saving, you can use eXpunge to get rid of all the Deleted
> > messages.
> > 
> 
> Maybe I misunderstand what he wants to do, but isn't it easier to just let them
> go to the default saved folder (on exit), then move them next time? But I guess
> you have to read or mark-read them to do that, which may not be what he wants.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Mike
> > 
> > -- 
> > Michael B. Miller
> 
> 
> > University of Missouri--Columbia
> > http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/
> -- 
> Ralph (George A. Magill)
> gmagill@abcs.com
> ralph@hempseed.com
> 

		

		

		
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 mattack@area.com wrote:

		
> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Mike Miller wrote:
> 
> >Funny you should ask because my wife just asked me the same question
> >within the last hour.  Pine won't allow you to rename the INBOX, for good
> >reason.  So you have to use 'Select' and 'Apply' commands.
> 
> I don't save messages much, but when I do, I usually do it one at a time..
> I think a lot of people save messages while reading them too..

		
Right!  It occurred to me later that the original post might have been
about that, but that seems so obvious because there is an "S  Save" in the
menu at the bottom of the screen!

		
A third approach is to select using ':' and then Apply.

		
It took me about two years using Pine to learn about Select, and it helped
me a *lot*!  (Thanks to someone on this list for pointing out that
feature.)  Relevant issue:  So many pine features are turned off by
default that it's a lot of work to get in there and figure out what you've
been missing.  Is there a web page somewhere that just lists all the great
Pine features that are turned off by default?  It would be nice to have
such a web page.

		
Mike

		
-- 
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Mike Miller wrote:

		
>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:34:38 -0600 (CST)
>From: Mike Miller <mbmiller@taxa.psyc.missouri.edu>
>To: mattack@area.com
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>
>On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 mattack@area.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Mike Miller wrote:
>> 
>> >Funny you should ask because my wife just asked me the same question
>> >within the last hour.  Pine won't allow you to rename the INBOX, for good
>> >reason.  So you have to use 'Select' and 'Apply' commands.
>> 
>> I don't save messages much, but when I do, I usually do it one at a time..
>> I think a lot of people save messages while reading them too..
>
>Right!  It occurred to me later that the original post might have been
>about that, but that seems so obvious because there is an "S  Save" in the
>menu at the bottom of the screen!

		
I _don't_ mean to get into an argument...  I'll point out a few things though.

		
1) The original poster may have the menu turned off (doubtful as he's new,
but it may be true)..  I certainly turned it off as soon as I learned how.

		
2) More importantly, "Save" isn't very consistent with that term's use 
throughout the history of personal computers.  I think it could be argued that
the use in pine is _more_ logical (since you are "saving it for later" rather
than deleting it), it still isn't too consistent.

		
   I think to people who have any personal computer experience, they would
expect "Save" to be what the Export command really is -- they'd expect save to
mean save to another part of the disk. 

		
It's not really relevant to the main discussion, and I of course am glad
that there's a way to select multiple messages and perform commands on them.

		

		
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I'm trying to set up pine to deliver mail locally on my own 3 computer
network at home and via the UW SMTP server.  I know I should just send
mail directly but many servers now are rejecting mail that doesn't come
from a registered domain.  Anyway it actually works already by just
listing my own localhost.localdomain along with the UW SMTP server, but
this doesn't seem like the right way to do this.  Anyone have any
suggestions.  I'm guessing the answer has something to do with sendmail
handling the UW SMTP stuff instead of pine but I have no idea of how to do
that.  I'm pretty new to linux/unix.

		
Also another problem is that since I'm using a dialup account, obviously I
can only deliver nonlocal mail when I'm connected.  If I try to send mail
while offline, I get a mail delivery failure message.  Is there some
kind of 'outbox' feature in pine that will hold undeliverable messages
until such a time as the domain name can be resolved??

		
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Hi,

		
I use Pine for e-mail both at home and at work. Does anyone know if there
is a way, when I'm using Pine at home, to read messages off-line (without
removing them wholesale from the server)?

		
Thanks for any advice.

		

		
David Smith

		

		

		
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Pine simply doesn't do offline mail on its own.  If you're running Windows
at home, you probably want to use a windows mail client like OE5 and set
it up with IMAP or POP3 + leave-mail-on-server, then use the work offline
option.  If you're running Linux, there are several ways to download your
mail and leave it on the server, but I've never used any of them.

		
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On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, David W Smith wrote:

		
> Hi,
> 
> I use Pine for e-mail both at home and at work. Does anyone know if there
> is a way, when I'm using Pine at home, to read messages off-line (without
> removing them wholesale from the server)?
> 
> Thanks for any advice.
> 
> 
> David Smith
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dr David Smith
> 
> Systems Administration
> 
> Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics 
> University of Oxford 
> Roosevelt Drive 
> Headington 
> Oxford OX3 7BN
> 
> 
> E-mail: david.smith@well.ox.ac.uk
> 
> Ph:  (+44) (0) 1865 287596
> Fax: (+44) (0) 1865 287664
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

		

		
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Check out Nancy's page at:

		
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I'm pretty sure it talks about them.  I also seem to recall that they're
ordinary DOS env vars, so you can set them with set or winset from a dos
prompt.  (Set only lasts for the current dos session;  winset lasts for
the entire windows session.)

		
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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Max Devlin wrote:

		
> Hi,
> 
> I need to change these. They are mentioned frequency in the
> dox except where to find them. I assume its a dumb question,
> but any help appreciated.
> 
> Regards
> 
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You can try a script called pop-perl5.  It downloads messages from a
remote server to your local pine box and can be modified to not delete the
messages off the server.  The only bad thing is then you end up with
copies of everything both at home and at work.

		
On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:

		
> Pine simply doesn't do offline mail on its own.  If you're running Windows
> at home, you probably want to use a windows mail client like OE5 and set
> it up with IMAP or POP3 + leave-mail-on-server, then use the work offline
> option.  If you're running Linux, there are several ways to download your
> mail and leave it on the server, but I've never used any of them.
> 
> -- 
> Scott Leibrand
> leibrand@u.washington.edu
> http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
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> 
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, David W Smith wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I use Pine for e-mail both at home and at work. Does anyone know if there
> > is a way, when I'm using Pine at home, to read messages off-line (without
> > removing them wholesale from the server)?
> > 
> > Thanks for any advice.
> > 
> > 
> > David Smith
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Dr David Smith
> > 
> > Systems Administration
> > 
> > Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics 
> > University of Oxford 
> > Roosevelt Drive 
> > Headington 
> > Oxford OX3 7BN
> > 
> > 
> > E-mail: david.smith@well.ox.ac.uk
> > 
> > Ph:  (+44) (0) 1865 287596
> > Fax: (+44) (0) 1865 287664
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

		

		
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From: "Max Devlin" <lucifer@gtemail.net>
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On 16 Nov 99, at 11:38, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> I'm pretty sure it talks about them.  I also seem to recall that they're
> ordinary DOS env vars, so you can set them with set or winset from a dos
> prompt.  (Set only lasts for the current dos session;  winset lasts for
> the entire windows session.)

		
Cool. It does and has a way to permanetly do this. This did not solve my actual
problem, although something else in the FAQ did. I was trying to set 
Pine up for multiple accounts. It did this by copy/rename the whole
directory. When I ran both programs (410-w95) I found them using the same
Pinerc from the original directory (Pine410). 

		
I also just downloaded 420. I deleted Pine410, but the first time I ran
420 it re-created it and put in a pinerc file? There were no env variables
set in the file listed in the FAQ or a global pinerc directory so where is Pine 
getting this from? I assumed it would default to the pinerc in the Pine420
directory.

		
Regards

		
>:->
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From: Scott Leibrand <leibrand@u.washington.edu>
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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Max Devlin wrote:

		
> 
> 
> On 16 Nov 99, at 11:38, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure it talks about them.  I also seem to recall that they're
> > ordinary DOS env vars, so you can set them with set or winset from a dos
> > prompt.  (Set only lasts for the current dos session;  winset lasts for
> > the entire windows session.)
> 
> Cool. It does and has a way to permanetly do this. This did not solve my actual
> problem, although something else in the FAQ did. I was trying to set 
> Pine up for multiple accounts. It did this by copy/rename the whole
> directory. When I ran both programs (410-w95) I found them using the same
> Pinerc from the original directory (Pine410). 

		
Good.  :)
 
> I also just downloaded 420. I deleted Pine410, but the first time I ran
> 420 it re-created it and put in a pinerc file? There were no env variables
> set in the file listed in the FAQ or a global pinerc directory so where is Pine 
> getting this from? I assumed it would default to the pinerc in the Pine420
> directory.

		
I'm not sure I understand your question right, but I think Pine assumes
that your pinerc is located in either (a) the directory in which Windows
starts Pine, or (b) the location of the Pine binary.

		
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:

		
> On 99-11-14 James Frye <frye@cs.unr.edu> wrote:
> > Well, that's the problem.  PC-Pine works fairly well as-is
> > (except for minor quirks like asking for the password each time
> > I access the ISP), as long as I'm connected when I'm sending
> > (or reading) mail.  I use a dial-up connection, though, and
> > don't want to have the phone line tied up all the time while
> > I'm reading or writing mail.
> 
> You can find out how to get PC-Pine to save your password and how
> to use it when you're disconnected at my "Setting Up PC-Pine for
> Power Users," which is mirrored at:

		
I tried the password-setting trick you suggested, but it doesn't seem to
work.  I still get prompted for the password every time I run pine.  Any
clue as to what I might be doing wrong.

		
Made directory G:\HOME\PINE
Made empty file PINE.PWD
Ran pine several times.  No change to file, and still prompts for
password.

		
Thanks,
James

		

		
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Quoting E. Salazar (esalazar@u.washington.edu):
> You can try a script called pop-perl5.  It downloads messages from a
> remote server to your local pine box and can be modified to not delete the
> messages off the server.  The only bad thing is 

		
... that you will end up with a couple of megabytes of mail in no time (not to
mention that "leaving mail" on a  POP3 host is a dirty hack to say the least).

		
Oh yeah - and thanks for quoting 52 lines for nothing.

		
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I think my "Setting Up PC-Pine for Power Users" addresses all the
questions you have. It's at:

		
 Primary: http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/
 Backup: http://www.best.com/~ii/internet/messaging/pine/pc/

		

		
On 99-11-17 Max Devlin <lucifer@gtemail.net> wrote:
> I was trying to set 
> Pine up for multiple accounts. It did this by copy/rename the whole
> directory. When I ran both programs (410-w95) I found them using the same
> Pinerc from the original directory (Pine410). 

		
See the section on "Setting Up PC-Pine for Multiple Users" on my
PC-Pine page.

		

		
> I also just downloaded 420. I deleted Pine410, but the first time I ran
> 420 it re-created it and put in a pinerc file? There were no env variables
> set in the file listed in the FAQ or a global pinerc directory so where is Pine 
> getting this from? I assumed it would default to the pinerc in the Pine420
> directory.

		
Read the sections "Configuration Overview" and "2. Setting Up
PC-Pine Directories and Environment Variables." Let us know if
you still have problems after reading these sections.

		
Nancy

		
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On 99-11-16 James Frye <frye@cs.unr.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:
> > You can find out how to get PC-Pine to save your password and how
> > to use it when you're disconnected at my "Setting Up PC-Pine for
> > Power Users," which is mirrored at:
> 
> I tried the password-setting trick you suggested, but it doesn't seem to
> work.  I still get prompted for the password every time I run pine.  Any
> clue as to what I might be doing wrong.
> 
> Made directory G:\HOME\PINE
> Made empty file PINE.PWD
> Ran pine several times.  No change to file, and still prompts for
> password.

		
Did you put this line in your autoexec.bat

		
 SET HOME=G:\Home\Pine

		
OR *alternatively* this line

		
 SET PINERC=G:\Home\Pine\pinerc

		
and then reboot?

		
The pine.pwd file needs to be in the same directory as your
pinerc file so you can search your entire system for pinerc and
see if there's another one somewhere that pine is actually using.

		
I discuss how Pine finds user files at:

		
 http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#findUserFiles

		
Good luck,
Nancy

		
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On 99-11-17 Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough <nm@NoAdsPlease.ii.com> wrote:
> On 99-11-17 Max Devlin <lucifer@gtemail.net> wrote:
> > I was trying to set 
> > Pine up for multiple accounts. It did this by copy/rename the whole
> > directory. When I ran both programs (410-w95) I found them using the same
> > Pinerc from the original directory (Pine410). 
> 
> See the section on "Setting Up PC-Pine for Multiple Users" on my
> PC-Pine page.

		
I just reread your question and see that you said "set Pine up
for multiple accounts" -- do you mean that you have more than one
ISP that you dial into? If so, my section called "Switching Your
SMTP and NNTP Servers for Different ISP Connections," which is
at:

		
 http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#diffISPs

		
might solve your problem. Or, are you just trying to access your
inboxes that are on different IMAP and POP servers around the
world and want to reply using different roles? If that's what
you're trying to do, you can do all that with one pinerc. I
discuss this a little in the Note at the end of the "Setting Up
PC-Pine for Multiple Users" section.

		

		
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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:

		
> The pine.pwd file needs to be in the same directory as your
> pinerc file so you can search your entire system for pinerc and
> see if there's another one somewhere that pine is actually using.

		
Thanks, that did the trick.  I had the pinerc file in the same directory
as the .EXE.  (The instructions weren't clear on that.)

		
Now one more problem.  I'm trying to set it up for disconnected operation,
as per your instructions.  I go & download new messages to
g:\home\mail\new.mtx, then disconnect and run pine with the settings you
give.  Trouble is, it doesn't see new.mtx  (or any of the other mail
files, such as savemail.mtx), just an empty inbox.  Any clues?

		
Thanks,
James

		
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On 99-11-17 James Frye <frye@cs.unr.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:
> > The pine.pwd file needs to be in the same directory as your
> > pinerc file so you can search your entire system for pinerc and
> > see if there's another one somewhere that pine is actually using.
> 
> Thanks, that did the trick.  I had the pinerc file in the same directory
> as the .EXE.  (The instructions weren't clear on that.)

		
I wrote the instructions assuming that people would start at the
beginning and go through the whole long procedure that I've
written up. BAD ASSUMPTION! So I know I've got to rewrite the
instructions but if you start at the top and read through what
I've written, I think you'll see an explanation that most user
configuration files must reside in the same directory as the
pinerc file, how pine finds the pinerc file, and why I think it's
a good idea to keep your user files in a separate directory from
your program files. If you read through it and still don't think
I explain this clearly, please let me know.

		

		
> Now one more problem.  I'm trying to set it up for disconnected operation,
> as per your instructions.  I go & download new messages to
> g:\home\mail\new.mtx, then disconnect and run pine with the settings you
> give.  Trouble is, it doesn't see new.mtx  (or any of the other mail
> files, such as savemail.mtx), just an empty inbox.  Any clues?

		
Did you follow the instructions in "Setting Up Local and Remote
Folder Collections," which is at:

		
 http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#setFolders

		
Again this might just be a problem with my instructions assuming
that the reader had followed the earlier steps.

		

		
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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:

		
> I wrote the instructions assuming that people would start at the
> beginning and go through the whole long procedure that I've
> written up. BAD ASSUMPTION! So I know I've got to rewrite the
> instructions but if you start at the top and read through what
> I've written, I think you'll see an explanation that most user
> configuration files must reside in the same directory as the
> pinerc file, how pine finds the pinerc file, and why I think it's
> a good idea to keep your user files in a separate directory from
> your program files. If you read through it and still don't think
> I explain this clearly, please let me know.

		
I did start at the top and read through, but don't recall seeing anything
about pinerc having to be in the same directory as the pine.pwd file, just
that you could put it in "HOME" or the executable directory.

		
> > Now one more problem.  I'm trying to set it up for disconnected operation,
> > as per your instructions.  I go & download new messages to
> > g:\home\mail\new.mtx, then disconnect and run pine with the settings you
> > give.  Trouble is, it doesn't see new.mtx  (or any of the other mail
> > files, such as savemail.mtx), just an empty inbox.  Any clues?
> 
> Did you follow the instructions in "Setting Up Local and Remote
> Folder Collections," which is at:
> 
>  http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#setFolders
> 
> Again this might just be a problem with my instructions assuming
> that the reader had followed the earlier steps.

		
This might be a problem with pine, rather than your instructions.  I
originally edited pinerc directly, rather than struggling through each
individual setting.  For some reason, some settings didn't take effect
until I went back and used config to set them, even though I replaced them
with the exact same text.  And I also had to define a collection list with
"View" set to *.mtx, even though that's supposedly the default.

		
Anyway, it seems to sort of work now, except for the occasional bizarre
error message, so thanks again.

		
James

		

		
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On 99-11-17 James Frye <frye@cs.unr.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:
> 
> > I wrote the instructions assuming that people would start at the
> > beginning and go through the whole long procedure that I've
> > written up. BAD ASSUMPTION! So I know I've got to rewrite the
> > instructions but if you start at the top and read through what
> > I've written, I think you'll see an explanation that most user
> > configuration files must reside in the same directory as the
> > pinerc file, how pine finds the pinerc file, and why I think it's
> > a good idea to keep your user files in a separate directory from
> > your program files. If you read through it and still don't think
> > I explain this clearly, please let me know.
> 
> I did start at the top and read through, but don't recall seeing anything
> about pinerc having to be in the same directory as the pine.pwd file, just
> that you could put it in "HOME" or the executable directory.

		
If you look at the Configuration Overview section at

		
 http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#config

		
and look in the row that's colored green, you'll see a list of
the files that need to be in the same directory as the pinerc
file.

		
Then the next section, "How PC-Pine Finds User Files" lists these
possible places for the pinerc file:

		
 1] the -p command-line argument
 2] %PINERC%
 3] %HOME%\Pine\pinerc
 4] pine.exe directory\pinerc

		
Note that the %HOME% directory is not one of the options (but the
%HOME%/Pine directory is).

		

		
> > > Now one more problem.  I'm trying to set it up for disconnected operation,
> > > as per your instructions.  I go & download new messages to
> > > g:\home\mail\new.mtx, then disconnect and run pine with the settings you
> > > give.  Trouble is, it doesn't see new.mtx  (or any of the other mail
> > > files, such as savemail.mtx), just an empty inbox.  Any clues?
> > 
> > Did you follow the instructions in "Setting Up Local and Remote
> > Folder Collections," which is at:
> > 
> >  http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#setFolders
> > 
> > Again this might just be a problem with my instructions assuming
> > that the reader had followed the earlier steps.
> 
> This might be a problem with pine, rather than your instructions.  I
> originally edited pinerc directly, rather than struggling through each
> individual setting.  For some reason, some settings didn't take effect
> until I went back and used config to set them, even though I replaced them
> with the exact same text.  

		
It sounds to me like you have more than one pinerc file on your
machine and the one that Pine is using is the one you edit when
you use the Pine configuration screen (via MSC). How about if you
search your system for pinerc and delete all pinerc's except the
one pine is using -- that should save you some headaches. Also,
search for "mail" and see if there are some errant mail directories
lying around that Pine created before you had the HOME
environment variable set. (Pine creates the Mail directory as a
subdirectory of %HOME%.)

		
> And I also had to define a collection list with
> "View" set to *.mtx, even though that's supposedly the default.

		
Yes, this is a BUG that I reported to the Pine development team a
long time ago. If they do not want to fix it, then I wish they
would change the documentation so it no longer says that .MTX is
the default file extension.

		

		
> Anyway, it seems to sort of work now, except for the occasional bizarre
> error message, so thanks again.

		
What kind of error messages do you get?

		
Nancy
who will update her PC-Pine page one of these days so it is more
clear!

		

		
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Something seems to have gone goofy with pine 4.20's support of cons25
termtype. When I run it in a text-mode console window, it seems to be
drawing too many lines or something. When I go up and down in the main
menu, for instance, it redraws the lines one line above where they should
be, so the screen is quickly filled up with garbage. Doesn't seem to
affect the composer window, though. 4.10 works fine. I'm using FreeBSD
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*** Kim Scarborough (lists@jinx.unknown.nu) wrote Today:

		
:) Something seems to have gone goofy with pine 4.20's support of cons25
:) termtype. When I run it in a text-mode console window, it seems to be
:) drawing too many lines or something. When I go up and down in the main
:) menu, for instance, it redraws the lines one line above where they should
:) be, so the screen is quickly filled up with garbage. Doesn't seem to
:) affect the composer window, though. 4.10 works fine. I'm using FreeBSD
:) 3.2.

		
This may be due to the color support of pine. I had the same problem in
another terminal and that was the solution. If you are ever going to use
color support, in order to disable it for your session you should start
pine as:

		
pine -color-style=no-color

		
or if you want it to be permanent you can 

		
either

		
(a) edit your .pinerc file and make sure that the variable "color-style="
is defined to be no-color

		
or

		
(b) press M S K and select the non-colors option.

		
 I hope that works for you. Have a nice day.

		
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

		

		
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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
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Specific information regarding this release can be found in the built-in
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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:

		
> If you look at the Configuration Overview section at
> 
>  http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#config
> 
> and look in the row that's colored green, you'll see a list of
> the files that need to be in the same directory as the pinerc
> file.

		
Ah, that explains it.  I saved the info as text, so I could read it
offline.  Unfortunately, the saving badly mangled the table.

		
> > And I also had to define a collection list with
> > "View" set to *.mtx, even though that's supposedly the default.
> 
> Yes, this is a BUG that I reported to the Pine development team a
> long time ago. If they do not want to fix it, then I wish they
> would change the documentation so it no longer says that .MTX is
> the default file extension.

		
Maybe they're just practicing for when they get jobs with Microsoft :-)

		
> > Anyway, it seems to sort of work now, except for the occasional bizarre
> > error message, so thanks again.
> 
> What kind of error messages do you get?

		
I didn't write them down at the time, and haven't hit one since.  The
oddest one said something about the message I was trying to send having
been shortened.  And then I get ones about the remote inbox being closed.

		
James

		

		
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From: "Joan M. Garcia" <joanmg@bpo.hp.com>
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Subject: Select Text doesn't work in my Linux
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Greetings,

		
When I try to use Select Text with pine 4.20 and 4.21 I get the
following error message:

		
[specified character set not supported]

		
Anybody knows what's going on? I've been going through the
documentation, but I haven't been able to find any reference. I've
even checked the code, without finding the error message
anywhere.

		
Some details:

		
- I'm running RH 5.2, in a fairly standard configuration.

		
- I've played with all the configuration options of pine that refer to
  characters, with no luck.

		
- Select works when no text is involved. For example, I can do a
  Select Answered messages.

		
- Whereis works. I can find the messages sent by somebody using it,
  but it's terribly inefficient.

		
- I've checked it in different types of terminals, without any
  difference (xterm, xiterm, nxterm, rxvt)

		
- I've downloaded the pre-compiled version (hoping that it would not
  have the problem), but it doesn't work at all: it says: "Can't open
  termcap file; check TERMCAP variable and/or system manager." I don't
  have a TERMCAP variable by default, and setting it up pointing to
  /etc/termcap (which is my termcap file) doesn't help.

		
- I'm new to pine. It's a great program, and I find it much more
  efficient than the old mouse-oriented resource-consuming
  crash-at-the-middle-of-a-critical-message-at-8-at-night program I
  was using before. I've lived till now without a Select, but now that
  I know about it it seems indispensable.

		
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

		
Joan M.

		
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> This may be due to the color support of pine. I had the same problem in
> another terminal and that was the solution. If you are ever going to use
> color support, in order to disable it for your session you should start
> pine as:

		
Well, uh, but... I *want* the colors in cons25. Is there some reason
console terminals can't support colors? I compiled lynx with color support
annd it works... I guess my original mail was really more of a bug report
than a "what should I do" question. Thanks for your help, though. Maybe
it's fixed in 4.21; I'm going to install it now.

		

		
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Just installed 4.21 for Slowaris 2.5 (self-compiled - GS5), and it's dumping
core all the time.  Anyone else seen this?

		
Below is example from doing ";" from index:

		
fgh:~ [3]% adb /usr/local/bin/pine core
core file = core -- program ``pine'' on platform SUNW,SPARCstation-10
SIGBUS: Bus Error
$c
_smalloc(?) + 98
_malloc_unlocked(0x18,0x2,0xef6d5434,0x39e02c,0x8,0x72726f6e)
malloc(?) + 1c
utf8_csvalid(0x18,0x39d4dc,0x39d2df,0x0,0xefffd758,0xefffd758) + 17010
new_color_pair(0x0,0x0,0x1e5e98,0x1e5c00,0x39d2df,0x39d2d8) + 10
pico_get_cur_color(0x4,0x5,0x8000000,0x0,0x0,0xf604f668) + 14
pico_set_colors(0x3ac560,0x3ac570,0x5,0x1,0xefffdd20,0xefffd890) + 2c
blank_keymenu(0x2f,0x0,0x31,0xef6d14d0,0x8,0xefffd894) + b4
end_screen(0x0,0x1,0x1,0xef677da0,0xfc1fdc64,0xa) + d0
panic(0x30da18,0x30d800,0xf026b49c,0x0,0x0,0x0) + c
auger_in_signal(0xa,0x0,0xefffdb00,0xf025cd48,0x0,0x10000) + 74
sigacthandler(?) + 28
_smalloc(0xa,0x0,0xefffdb00,0x72726f6e,0x0,0xef6d54c4) + c
_smalloc(?) + 4
_malloc_unlocked(0x18,0x2,0xef6d5434,0x5d7598,0x8,0x72726f6e)
malloc(?) + 1c
utf8_csvalid(0x18,0x0,0x0,0xef6d5444,0x0,0x0) + 17010
fs_get(0x18,0xd8908,0xd8800,0x39d628,0x39d72a,0x0) + 34
mail_newaddr(0x0,0x0,0x0,0x30303000,0x54,0xff00) + 4
rfc822_cpy_adr(0x5e0668,0x5e0de8,0x3a000000,0x5e0de8,0x4f,0x43) + 14
rfc822_parse_msg_full(0x5def48,0x1,0x3b3302,0x1,0x0,0x3164a8) + 804
mail_fetch_structure(0x3aed88,0x68b,0x0,0x0,0x9af,0xffffffff) + 278
mail_search_msg(0x3aed88,0x68b,0x0,0x4c80e8,0xffee2000,0xf5b32ac0) + 5cc
mail_search_default(0x3aed88,0x68b,0x4c80e8,0x6,0x0,0xff00) + 184
mail_search_full(0x3aed88,0x301878,0x990,0x6,0x81010100,0xff00) + a4
select_text(0x3aed88,0x3a5070,0x976,0x0,0x78,0x0) + 14d8
aggregate_select(0x3a4778,0x3a5070,0xfffffffd,0x1,0x0,0x4c8111) + 850
process_cmd(0x3a4778,0x3aed88,0x3a5070,0x2d0,0x1,0xeffff3f8) + 29e4
index_lister(0x3a4778,0x3adcf8,0x3a47fd,0x3aed88,0x3a5070,0xeffff406) + 18c4
mail_index_screen(0x3a4778,0x109be8,0x109800,0xfdfffc00,0xf7fffc00,0x0) + f8
main(0x2,0xeffffa24,0xeffffa30,0x39d610,0x1,0x0) + 1e90

		
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I compiled it on 2.5.1 (gs5) on an ultra-1 and it works ok, except that when
using pop3 it inserts a lot of garbage characters which I need to delete
before I enter the username.  Also I do not get color.  I just use the
precompiled version.

		

		
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> Just installed 4.21 for Slowaris 2.5 (self-compiled - GS5), and it's
dumping
> core all the time.  Anyone else seen this?
>
> Below is example from doing ";" from index:
>
> fgh:~ [3]% adb /usr/local/bin/pine core
> core file = core -- program ``pine'' on platform SUNW,SPARCstation-10
> SIGBUS: Bus Error
> $c
> _smalloc(?) + 98
> _malloc_unlocked(0x18,0x2,0xef6d5434,0x39e02c,0x8,0x72726f6e)
> malloc(?) + 1c
> utf8_csvalid(0x18,0x39d4dc,0x39d2df,0x0,0xefffd758,0xefffd758) + 17010
> new_color_pair(0x0,0x0,0x1e5e98,0x1e5c00,0x39d2df,0x39d2d8) + 10
> pico_get_cur_color(0x4,0x5,0x8000000,0x0,0x0,0xf604f668) + 14
> pico_set_colors(0x3ac560,0x3ac570,0x5,0x1,0xefffdd20,0xefffd890) + 2c
> blank_keymenu(0x2f,0x0,0x31,0xef6d14d0,0x8,0xefffd894) + b4
> end_screen(0x0,0x1,0x1,0xef677da0,0xfc1fdc64,0xa) + d0
> panic(0x30da18,0x30d800,0xf026b49c,0x0,0x0,0x0) + c
> auger_in_signal(0xa,0x0,0xefffdb00,0xf025cd48,0x0,0x10000) + 74
> sigacthandler(?) + 28
> _smalloc(0xa,0x0,0xefffdb00,0x72726f6e,0x0,0xef6d54c4) + c
> _smalloc(?) + 4
> _malloc_unlocked(0x18,0x2,0xef6d5434,0x5d7598,0x8,0x72726f6e)
> malloc(?) + 1c
> utf8_csvalid(0x18,0x0,0x0,0xef6d5444,0x0,0x0) + 17010
> fs_get(0x18,0xd8908,0xd8800,0x39d628,0x39d72a,0x0) + 34
> mail_newaddr(0x0,0x0,0x0,0x30303000,0x54,0xff00) + 4
> rfc822_cpy_adr(0x5e0668,0x5e0de8,0x3a000000,0x5e0de8,0x4f,0x43) + 14
> rfc822_parse_msg_full(0x5def48,0x1,0x3b3302,0x1,0x0,0x3164a8) + 804
> mail_fetch_structure(0x3aed88,0x68b,0x0,0x0,0x9af,0xffffffff) + 278
> mail_search_msg(0x3aed88,0x68b,0x0,0x4c80e8,0xffee2000,0xf5b32ac0) + 5cc
> mail_search_default(0x3aed88,0x68b,0x4c80e8,0x6,0x0,0xff00) + 184
> mail_search_full(0x3aed88,0x301878,0x990,0x6,0x81010100,0xff00) + a4
> select_text(0x3aed88,0x3a5070,0x976,0x0,0x78,0x0) + 14d8
> aggregate_select(0x3a4778,0x3a5070,0xfffffffd,0x1,0x0,0x4c8111) + 850
> process_cmd(0x3a4778,0x3aed88,0x3a5070,0x2d0,0x1,0xeffff3f8) + 29e4
> index_lister(0x3a4778,0x3adcf8,0x3a47fd,0x3aed88,0x3a5070,0xeffff406) +
18c4
> mail_index_screen(0x3a4778,0x109be8,0x109800,0xfdfffc00,0xf7fffc00,0x0) +
f8
> main(0x2,0xeffffa24,0xeffffa30,0x39d610,0x1,0x0) + 1e90
>
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On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 phaeton@phaetonic.cx wrote:

		
> I compiled it on 2.5.1 (gs5) on an ultra-1 and it works ok, except that when
> using pop3 it inserts a lot of garbage characters which I need to delete
> before I enter the username.  Also I do not get color.  I just use the
> precompiled version.

		
Hmmm...  I might try recompiling then, and see if it goes away (I did run
out of disk space, which I thought I fixed up).  As for colour, I never
use it anyway (and there's no way I'll use a precompiled binary on any of
my systems).

		
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> Well, uh, but... I *want* the colors in cons25. Is there some reason
> console terminals can't support colors? I compiled lynx with color support
> annd it works... I guess my original mail was really more of a bug report
> than a "what should I do" question. Thanks for your help, though. Maybe
> it's fixed in 4.21; I'm going to install it now.

		
Nope, same thing's happening. 4.21 works okay other than that,
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On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Dave Horsfall wrote:

		
> Hmmm...  I might try recompiling then, and see if it goes away (I did run
> out of disk space, which I thought I fixed up).  As for colour, I never
> use it anyway (and there's no way I'll use a precompiled binary on any of
> my systems).

		
Following recompilation, it now seems OK...

		
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I compiled Pine 4.21 yesterday, and immediately started trying to play
with the color features on my SGI.  The xterms that we have aren't color
compatible, so I decided that I'd just run pine from a winterm (xwsh),
where I know that colors (and ANSI color codes) work.  When I set
the colors to either of the "force-ansi-*color" settings, the colors do
seem to work, but when scrolling, things seem to have shifted one row,
wiping out the title bar, as well as other rather nasty side-effects.  I
tried just downloading the pre-compiled binary for testing, but it
exhibits the same behavior.

		
Is anyone aware of this problem and/or have a solution?  I have a lot of
pine users (who also use winterms, God help them), and I'm not looking
forward to the barrage of support requests I'm going to receive if I
unleash this on them. 

		
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This description sounds similar to the console problem I reported earlier.
 
> I compiled Pine 4.21 yesterday, and immediately started trying to play
> with the color features on my SGI.  The xterms that we have aren't color
> compatible, so I decided that I'd just run pine from a winterm (xwsh),
> where I know that colors (and ANSI color codes) work.  When I set
> the colors to either of the "force-ansi-*color" settings, the colors do
> seem to work, but when scrolling, things seem to have shifted one row,
> wiping out the title bar, as well as other rather nasty side-effects.  I
> tried just downloading the pre-compiled binary for testing, but it
> exhibits the same behavior.
> 
> Is anyone aware of this problem and/or have a solution?  I have a lot of
> pine users (who also use winterms, God help them), and I'm not looking
> forward to the barrage of support requests I'm going to receive if I
> unleash this on them. 
> 
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	You probably want the XFree86 3.3.2 xterm, which supports ANSI
color and VT220 emulation. It may also make some sense to visit the
following:

		
	http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm/xterm.faq.html

		
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|  void main (void) { if (windows=="useful") hell=frozen }  |
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On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Kim Scarborough wrote:

		
> This description sounds similar to the console problem I reported earlier.
>  
> > I compiled Pine 4.21 yesterday, and immediately started trying to play
> > with the color features on my SGI.  The xterms that we have aren't color
> > compatible, so I decided that I'd just run pine from a winterm (xwsh),
> > where I know that colors (and ANSI color codes) work.  When I set
> > the colors to either of the "force-ansi-*color" settings, the colors do
> > seem to work, but when scrolling, things seem to have shifted one row,
> > wiping out the title bar, as well as other rather nasty side-effects.  I
> > tried just downloading the pre-compiled binary for testing, but it
> > exhibits the same behavior.
> > 
> > Is anyone aware of this problem and/or have a solution?  I have a lot of
> > pine users (who also use winterms, God help them), and I'm not looking
> > forward to the barrage of support requests I'm going to receive if I
> > unleash this on them. 

		

		
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I get a core dump when doing these things:

		
h for full headers,
f for forward,
n for not as an attachment,
n for no, I don't want to use the Role established
core dump upon press that n.

		
I'm running 4.21 on RedHat 5.2, kernel 2.2.12, with enlightenment.  The
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This is on solaris 2.6, (built at 2.5.1) using gcc 

		
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Subject: bug in pine 4.21: fails to find msg body during fwd

		
[This is a courtesy copy of a message which was also posted to the
 newsgroup(s) shown in the header.]

		
I have a message where pine 4.21 fails to find the message body during a
forward operation but pine 4.10 is fine. This is using pine as an IMAP
client (with UW server).

		
The mail is of the format:

		
Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s; micalg=pgp-md5;
              protocol="application/pgp-signature"

		
It _seems_ that the dashes in the PGP section are unbroken so I don't know
if this is an issue or not.

		
This seems to work if I fwd as attachment in 4.21 but only then....

		
Alan Thew

		

		

		
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Hello,

		
I'm new to this list so apologies if this is a redundent question.

		
I've configured Pine to kick off Netscape from a URL in a mail message.
This works perfectly.  However, while the browser is running, Perl shows
an empty xterm.  Is there anyway to not lock up Pine while the URL is
displayed by the browser?  I tried the most obvious thing, putting an "&"
after the netscape command, but Pine rejected that, thinking that the & is
part of the executable name (which, of course, it is to Pine).

		
I can start a second version of Pine running, but I think there is a way
to configure Pine to run the browser in the background and I haven't
discovered it yet.

		
Seth Kurtzberg
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On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Seth Kurtzberg managed to articulate:

		
I use lynx from pine, which causes lynx to take over the terminal window.=
 The
way I 'fixed' it was to create a file, 'lnx' which launches lynx. I just =
tried
it out with netscape and it also worked.
Make an executable file containing the line 'exec /usr/bin/netscape &' (o=
r
whatever path) and point pine to this file.=20

		

		
> Hello,
>=20
> I'm new to this list so apologies if this is a redundent question.
>=20
> I've configured Pine to kick off Netscape from a URL in a mail message.
> This works perfectly.  However, while the browser is running, Perl show=
s
> an empty xterm.  Is there anyway to not lock up Pine while the URL is
> displayed by the browser?  I tried the most obvious thing, putting an "=
&"
> after the netscape command, but Pine rejected that, thinking that the &=
 is
> part of the executable name (which, of course, it is to Pine).
>=20
> I can start a second version of Pine running, but I think there is a wa=
y
> to configure Pine to run the browser in the background and I haven't
> discovered it yet.
>=20
> Seth Kurtzberg
> Machine Independent Software
> Cell (602) 478-5511
> Fax: (480) 614-8909
> email:  seth@cql.com
> pager:  888-605-9296 or email 6059296@skytel.com
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>=20
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ralph@hempseed.com

		

		
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Thanks!  I should have thought of that.

		
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On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, George A. Magill wrote:

		
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Seth Kurtzberg managed to articulate:
> 
> I use lynx from pine, which causes lynx to take over the terminal window. The
> way I 'fixed' it was to create a file, 'lnx' which launches lynx. I just tried
> it out with netscape and it also worked.
> Make an executable file containing the line 'exec /usr/bin/netscape &' (or
> whatever path) and point pine to this file. 
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm new to this list so apologies if this is a redundent question.
> > 
> > I've configured Pine to kick off Netscape from a URL in a mail message.
> > This works perfectly.  However, while the browser is running, Perl shows
> > an empty xterm.  Is there anyway to not lock up Pine while the URL is
> > displayed by the browser?  I tried the most obvious thing, putting an "&"
> > after the netscape command, but Pine rejected that, thinking that the & is
> > part of the executable name (which, of course, it is to Pine).
> > 
> > I can start a second version of Pine running, but I think there is a way
> > to configure Pine to run the browser in the background and I haven't
> > discovered it yet.
> > 
> > Seth Kurtzberg
> > Machine Independent Software
> > Cell (602) 478-5511
> > Fax: (480) 614-8909
> > email:  seth@cql.com
> > pager:  888-605-9296 or email 6059296@skytel.com
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> -- 
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I did the same thing a slightly different way.  I make an executable
script with "/usr/local/bin/netscape $1 &".  Without the $1 it didn't get
the URL as an argument.  I think the two ways are equivalent.

		
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On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, George A. Magill wrote:

		
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Seth Kurtzberg managed to articulate:
> 
> I use lynx from pine, which causes lynx to take over the terminal window. The
> way I 'fixed' it was to create a file, 'lnx' which launches lynx. I just tried
> it out with netscape and it also worked.
> Make an executable file containing the line 'exec /usr/bin/netscape &' (or
> whatever path) and point pine to this file. 
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm new to this list so apologies if this is a redundent question.
> > 
> > I've configured Pine to kick off Netscape from a URL in a mail message.
> > This works perfectly.  However, while the browser is running, Perl shows
> > an empty xterm.  Is there anyway to not lock up Pine while the URL is
> > displayed by the browser?  I tried the most obvious thing, putting an "&"
> > after the netscape command, but Pine rejected that, thinking that the & is
> > part of the executable name (which, of course, it is to Pine).
> > 
> > I can start a second version of Pine running, but I think there is a way
> > to configure Pine to run the browser in the background and I haven't
> > discovered it yet.
> > 
> > Seth Kurtzberg
> > Machine Independent Software
> > Cell (602) 478-5511
> > Fax: (480) 614-8909
> > email:  seth@cql.com
> > pager:  888-605-9296 or email 6059296@skytel.com
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >  For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: 
> >  http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> -- 
> Ralph (George A. Magill)
> gmagill@abcs.com
> ralph@hempseed.com
> 

		

		
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On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Seth Kurtzberg managed to articulate:
> I did the same thing a slightly different way.  I make an executable
> script with "/usr/local/bin/netscape $1 &".  Without the $1 it didn't g=
et
> the URL as an argument.  I think the two ways are equivalent.
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oops... you're right

		
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This is much more appropriate (I just whipped this up after seeing this
thread of messages go past) 

		
-----------------------------------------------------------
	#!/bin/sh
	export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0

		
	if [ -h ${HOME}/.netscape/lock ]; then
	        ${NETSCAPE} -remote openURL\("$1"\,new_window\) ;
	else
	        ${NETSCAPE} "$1 ";
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+-----------------------------------------------------------+

		
On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, George A. Magill wrote:

		
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Seth Kurtzberg managed to articulate:
> > I did the same thing a slightly different way.  I make an executable
> > script with "/usr/local/bin/netscape $1 &".  Without the $1 it didn't get
> > the URL as an argument.  I think the two ways are equivalent.
> > 
> >
> 
> oops... you're right
> 

		

		
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That is a good point; it avoids the "you already have a copy of netscape"
dialog box.

		
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On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, David A. Desrosiers wrote:

		
> 
> This is much more appropriate (I just whipped this up after seeing this
> thread of messages go past) 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 	#!/bin/sh
> 	export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0
> 
> 	if [ -h ${HOME}/.netscape/lock ]; then
> 	        ${NETSCAPE} -remote openURL\("$1"\,new_window\) ;
> 	else
> 	        ${NETSCAPE} "$1 ";
> 	fi
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> +-----------------------------------------------------------+
> |  David A. Desrosiers             *calloc(1,sizeof(geek))  |
> |  desrod@gnu-designs.com       http://www.gnu-designs.com  |
> |  void main (void) { if (windows=="useful") hell=frozen }  |
> |  PGP: 80F8 7FFF 8329 292F 2696  E354 3D9E 2800 5B8D ABC1  |
> +-----------------------------------------------------------+
> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, George A. Magill wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Seth Kurtzberg managed to articulate:
> > > I did the same thing a slightly different way.  I make an executable
> > > script with "/usr/local/bin/netscape $1 &".  Without the $1 it didn't get
> > > the URL as an argument.  I think the two ways are equivalent.
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > oops... you're right
> > 
> 

		

		
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I have the following line in my .pinerc:

		
# List of programs to open Internet URLs (e.g. http or ftp references).
url-viewers="/opt/netscape/netscape -noraise -remote openURL\\(_URL_,\\ new-window\\)"

		

		
I didn't make this up.  It came from someone on the list.  It works well
when I'm at the console on my Sun computer (Solaris 2.6 OS).

		
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I think that I may have found a bug with PINE (but I may just may not have
something configured correctly).

		
I am currently using PINE 3.95 on a UNIX shell, which I am accessing
through a telnet connection.  I am using the standard telnet client for
Windows 95 (I am using a library connection, so I cannot choose which
software I use to access my e-mail.  I would prefer a direct dial
connection with PC-PINE, or something similar).  I have my client set up
with the following configuration: VT-100 Arrows: yes; Emulation: VT-100.

		
The problem is with the ^^ command (or CTRL-^).  It seems to lock up my
connection.  I can't do anything.  I can't type, mark (which is what the
command is supposed to do), delete, or anything.  It doesn't accept any
commands at all.  I have to do a hard disconnect, which leaves me with an
open login.  Then (because of the way the server is set up) I can't login
again for another hour and a half.

		
This command *did* work in previous editions of PINE (3.92 is the latest
version that I recall trying it), but I lost my e-mail account back then,
and can't remember how I had everything configured.

		
Any help that anyone can give would be greatly appreciated.

		
Tom Davidson
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Hello, 
	is there a pine for AIX ?
TIA and kind regards, hal ;-)
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Yes.  There is a precompiled binary available at ftp.cac.washington.edu
for AIX 4.2.  If you have a different version, you can get the source from
ftp.cac and compile it yourself.

		
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Dear all,

		
I posted this once before (to pine4.10) to no response (which seems
reasonable if its not interesting :-)

		
This is a minor patch which permits the pico file browser used in pine to
suggest a default filename when saving an attachment, to avoid
retyping. The default filename is whatever was in the MIME bodypart -
i.e. the filename the sender assigned to it. This info is preserved all
the way down to the file browser but then thrown away in the UI - this
strikes me as unintentional.

		
Is this:

		
a) unnecessary because there is a different way of doing this which I
haven't noticed
b) done in a stupid way which breaks other things
c) something which doesn't bother other people
d) the wrong place to send patches

		
Tick one or more of the above.

		

		
regards,

		
jb

		
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John,

		
> This is a minor patch which permits the pico file browser used in pine to
> suggest a default filename when saving an attachment, to avoid
> retyping. The default filename is whatever was in the MIME bodypart -
> i.e. the filename the sender assigned to it. This info is preserved all
> the way down to the file browser but then thrown away in the UI - this
> strikes me as unintentional.
>
> Is this:
>
> a) unnecessary because there is a different way of doing this which I
> haven't noticed
> b) done in a stupid way which breaks other things
> c) something which doesn't bother other people
> d) the wrong place to send patches
>
> Tick one or more of the above.

		
How about "e) I'm not sure what problem you are attempting to fix."?

		
When I use pine to display your message, for example, and when I go to the
attachment index and say "save" I am prompted with the file name you've assigned
to your attachment.

		
So, what am I missing?

		
Thanks,
Ed

		

		

		
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From: John Berthels <john.berthels@nexor.co.uk>
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> How about "e) I'm not sure what problem you are attempting to fix."?

		
Ah.

		
> When I use pine to display your message, for example, and when I go to the
> attachment index and say "save" I am prompted with the file name you've assigned
> to your attachment.
> 
> So, what am I missing?

		
Ctrl-T to go to file browser, navigate to the directory I want to save.

		
The 'A'dd feature was added to save the bp with a filename, but without
the patch I get a blank prompt on 'A'dd. With the patch I get the
filename.

		
Do you see this behaviour?

		
regards,

		
jb

		
PS. What I really want is to avoid the 'Add' and have a 'save here with
original filename' but I can live with 'A'+(4 * Enter) to do the same
thing.

		

		
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John,

		
> Ctrl-T to go to file browser, navigate to the directory I want to save.
>
> The 'A'dd feature was added to save the bp with a filename, but without
> the patch I get a blank prompt on 'A'dd. With the patch I get the
> filename.
>
> Do you see this behaviour?

		
Now I see what I was missing.  I also understand the behaviour you're expecting
and it sounds like a reasonable expectation.

		
I'm certain the folks on the pine team read this list and will consider your
patch.  But it is holiday time in the USA and you may not hear from them quite
so quickly.  :-)

		
Ed

		

		
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On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Ed Greshko wrote:

		
> > Do you see this behaviour?
> 
> Now I see what I was missing.  I also understand the behaviour you're
> expecting and it sounds like a reasonable expectation.

		
Cool.

		
> I'm certain the folks on the pine team read this list and will
> consider your patch.  But it is holiday time in the USA and you may
> not hear from them quite so quickly.  :-)

		
Fair enough. Is this the time of year to give thanks for pine? ;-)

		
jb

		

		
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> Is this the time of year to give thanks for pine? ;-)

		
Ahem!  ALL YEAR 'ROUND is the time to give thanks for Pine!

		
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Can anybody tell me from where I can configure printing using UNIX Pine
4.21.

		
In the previous version I select from Setup, Printer.  With the new
version I can not find this anywhere.

		
Thank you in advance.

		
Regards
Vasoula Papapetrou

		
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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Michael Seibel wrote:

		
> This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
> version 4.21.  This release introduces no new major functionality, but is
> intended to address bugs found in earlier version.
> 
> Specific information regarding this release can be found in the built-in
> release notes ("R" off the Main Menu), and via:
> 
>         http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/
> and
>         ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/
> 
> Source for the latest Pine release is available in: 
> 
>         ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
> and
>         ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz
> 
> and precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to
> are available in:
> 
>         ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin
> and
>         ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed
> 
> The corresponding PC-Pine distribution is available in:
> 
>         ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm421w32.zip
> 
> As with all Pine releases, it is important that you carefully test and
> determine for yourself that it performs suitably in your environment
> before placing Pine into production use.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> The Pine Development Team
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I'm using PC-PINE 4.20, set up to save messages and read them off-line,
and am seeing several odd behaviors.  Don't know if they're actual bugs,
or just something not right in my setup, and so was wondering if anyone
has seen them and knows how to fix them.

		
1) It seems to take far too long to do anything on-line.  For instance,
if I'm on line and start Pine, I get a message like "Mailbox opened with
X messages".  When I then do an I command, it takes a minute or more to
display the list of messages.  (Not downloading them, just displaying
the list.)  It likewise takes a minute or so to send even the shortest
message.

		
2) I save the messages to my machine, and run Pine disconnected to read
them.  The  last message in the index is always current, even though
incoming-startup-rule is set to first-recent or first-unseen.

		
3) When I'm reading messages off-line, I get the message "New mailbox
modification time, but apparently no changes" at seemingly random
intervals of several minutes.  I am usually making changes, by deleting
messages I've read.

		
Thanks,
James

		

		
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On 99-11-26 James Frye <frye@cs.unr.edu> wrote:
> I'm using PC-PINE 4.20, set up to save messages and read them off-line,
> and am seeing several odd behaviors.  

		
How are you downloading the messages? Do you use a Pine filter or
some other method?

		

		
> 1) It seems to take far too long to do anything on-line.  For instance,
> if I'm on line and start Pine, I get a message like "Mailbox opened with
> X messages".  When I then do an I command, it takes a minute or more to
> display the list of messages.  (Not downloading them, just displaying
> the list.)  It likewise takes a minute or so to send even the shortest
> message.

		
I've got ideas for speeding up PC-Pine in the "Speeding Up
PC-Pine" section of my PC-Pine page:

		
 http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#speed

		

		
> 2) I save the messages to my machine, and run Pine disconnected to read
> them.  The  last message in the index is always current, even though
> incoming-startup-rule is set to first-recent or first-unseen.

		
I also have this problem with both remote and local folders. Pine
seems to always do the right thing when I'm tabbing through
incoming folders but when I just go to a folder it often does not
focus on first-recent, which is the setting I use.

		

		
> 3) When I'm reading messages off-line, I get the message "New mailbox
> modification time, but apparently no changes" at seemingly random
> intervals of several minutes.  I am usually making changes, by deleting
> messages I've read.

		
I also see the message a lot and I'd like to know what causes it
and how to prevent it.

		
Thanks,
Nancy

		
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From: Vasoula Papapetrou <vasoula@ucy.ac.cy>
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Thank you for your reply.  Unfortunately there is no progress in my
problem.  Since we are a university with about 3,000 users it is not
applicable to explain them how to configure their pine through the
.pinerc.  What is strange is that in the previous versions there was no
need to go through the .pinerc or pine.conf.  By pressing Setup we got the
option Printer and there we had three posibilities to setup a printer.  

		

		
I can not find this anywhere with the new version.

		
Thank you in advance.

		
Regards
Vasoula
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On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

		
> *** Vasoula Papapetrou (vasoula@ucy.ac.cy) wrote on Nov 26, 1999:
> 
> :) Can anybody tell me from where I can configure printing using UNIX Pine
> :) 4.21.
> :) 
> :) In the previous version I select from Setup, Printer.  With the new
> :) version I can not find this anywhere.
> 
> Ok, let's see if I understand what's going on in your side. Did you try
> pressing M S. if so, at the bottom of the page there should be a P for
> printer, so pressing P should allow you to configure a printer.
> 
>   If after pressing M S you do not see a P at the bottom it is because
> your pine.conf file does not have an entry for the printer, so pine does
> not know anything about printers, you can either add it there or to your
> local .pinerc file.
> 
>   The following is from my .pinerc file: (pinerc file and pine.conf are
> the same)
> 
> ########## Set within or by Pine: No need to edit below this line ##########
>         
> # Your printer selection
> printer=lw340 [] lpr
>         
> # Special print command if it isn't one of the standard printers
> personal-print-command=lw340 [] lpr,
>         lw552 [] lpr -Plw552,
>         lw28 [] lpr -Plw28,
>         color [] lpr -Pcolor
> 
> Notice that the last three lines the first character is a <TAB>. lw340,
> lw552, etc are the names in the system of the printers. I hope this
> helps. Let me know if this solved your problem.
> 
>   have a nice day,
> 
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
> 
> 

		

		
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On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:

		
> On 99-11-26 James Frye <frye@cs.unr.edu> wrote:
> > I'm using PC-PINE 4.20, set up to save messages and read them off-line,
> > and am seeing several odd behaviors.
>
> How are you downloading the messages? Do you use a Pine filter or
> some other method?

		
I set up a connection to the ISP (ATT Worldnet), then start PC-Pine.  In
a few seconds, it gives me the message "Inbox opened with N messages".
I type "I" for the index, which takes maybe 30-60 seconds to appear.  I
then type ";AAS<CR>" to save them all to the incoming mail file on my
machine.  If I don't have any outgoing mail to send, I quit, disconnect
the ISP, and run Pine in disconnected mode to read the messages.

		
When I'm disconnected, everything runs fast enough that response time is
not noticable.

		
> I've got ideas for speeding up PC-Pine in the "Speeding Up
> PC-Pine" section of my PC-Pine page:

		
I've read that (in fact, it's where I learned how to set Pine up this
way), but most of the speedup tips seem to apply only when you're
running on a network, and/or maintaining folders or addressbooks on
remote machines.  Other than the incoming mail, I keep nothing on the
remote system, and disconnect as soon as the mail's been moved.

		
Thanks,
James

		

		

		
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On 99-11-29 James <jamesqf@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:
> > On 99-11-26 James Frye <frye@cs.unr.edu> wrote:
> > > I'm using PC-PINE 4.20, set up to save messages and read them off-line,
> > > and am seeing several odd behaviors.
> >
> > How are you downloading the messages? Do you use a Pine filter or
> > some other method?
> 
> I set up a connection to the ISP (ATT Worldnet), then start PC-Pine.  In
> a few seconds, it gives me the message "Inbox opened with N messages".
> I type "I" for the index, which takes maybe 30-60 seconds to appear.  

		
Do you sort by arrival? That should be the fastest so if you're
not using that, try it and see if the speed improves. Also try
adding the hidden feature quell-partial-fetching to your
feature-list and see if that improves things. I just (within the
last hour) updated my PC-Pine page so there might be some things
out there you haven't yet tried (e.g., the quell-partial-fetching
idea). 

		
Another thing you should do is upgrade from version 4.20 to 4.21.
According to the UW Pine pages, there are some PC-Pine folder
handling improvements and those might help out with your speed
problems.

		

		
> I
> then type ";AAS<CR>" to save them all to the incoming mail file on my
> machine.  If I don't have any outgoing mail to send, I quit, disconnect
> the ISP, and run Pine in disconnected mode to read the messages.

		
Starting with Pine 4.20 you can use a Pine filter to automate the
download. I've now got instructions for how to do that at:

		
 http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#filter

		
This will probably make the whole process faster for you since
you won't have to do `; A A S foldername CR'.

		
Good luck,
Let us know if you have success speeding up PC-Pine,
Nancy 

		
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On my work acct, I've gotten a few 
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messages, and the message shows up completely in bold, and the bold is
never turned off, so if I ^L, my whole screen is bold, and quitting 
pine (4.20), it's still bold.

		
Is this a pine thing, a shell thing (I'm running on prerelease MacOSX here
at work) -- under tcsh, a terminal emulator thing, or what?

		
before I write up a bug regarding the system software I want to know who
is really the culprit.. 

		
I probably haven't even given enough info, so please tell me what other info
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Whoops, forgot to send to the list

		
By the way, I do NOT have 
            [ ]  pass-control-characters-as-is              

		
turned on, as someone else asked.

		

		
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Subject: Re: text/enriched

		
On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Seth Kurtzberg wrote:
>I've seen a somewhat similar problem under Xwindows, where after I exit
>pine things will be in reverse video.  As the shell I'm using under
>Xwindows is not capable of changing fonts on the fly, it uses reverse
>video for bold type.  To me this makes it less likely that it is a shell
>problem, and more likely that it is a Pine problem, because it is
>happening on two unrelated shells.

		
After someone asked me to save the attachment (I forgot I could do that)
and send it to them, I realized there is no </bold>, that's why
bold is staying on..

		
So basically, I don't know if this is a bug in the mail app he's sending
with or not.  I'll check, and write up a bug if so.

		
Even so, as much as I totally hate having to write AROUND bugs in other
software, it seems kind of reasonable for pine to always
"set the world back to normal" when it's done, whether that means at the
end of its viewer ability, or certainly, when quitting..  Isn't that
reasonable?

		

		

		
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From: jan grant <jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk>
To: Pine Discussion Forum <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Problem/Bug?: 4.21 by-recipient fcc fails if folder exists.
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I'm running Pine 4.21 against the SMS Imap server

		
( * CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 ACL QUOTA LITERAL+ OPTIMIZE-1
X-NON-HIERARCHICAL-RENAME X-NO-ATOMIC-RENAME                )

		
and I'm running into the following problem when fcc-name-rule is
by-recipient.

		
If I compose an email to a user without a corresponding folder, I'm
prompted that the folder doesn't exist. I can create it, and the fcc
works.

		
If I then send a second email to that use, I'm again prompted that the
folder doesn't exist, but when I ask to create it I get an error (folder
already exists).

		
-From pine -d imap=4: (first time, unimportant bits elided)

		
  ---- COMPOSER ----
[General preamble goes here]

		
IMAP DEBUG 09:32:49 11/24: 0000000e LIST "" Inbox.jan
IMAP DEBUG 09:32:49 11/24: 0000000e OK Completed
Want_to read: RETURN (13)
IMAP DEBUG 09:32:49 11/24: 0000000f Create Inbox.jan
IMAP DEBUG 09:32:50 11/24: 0000000f OK Completed
IMAP 09:32:50 11/24 mm_log babble: Completed
Opened SMTP server "outgoing-smtp.blah.blah.blah"
done.
IMAP DEBUG 09:32:50 11/24: 00000010 APPEND Inbox.jan {403}
IMAP DEBUG 09:32:50 11/24: + go ahead
IMAP DEBUG 09:32:50 11/24:
IMAP DEBUG 09:32:50 11/24: 00000010 OK [APPENDUID 943435970 1] Completed
IMAP mm_notify NIL : {localhost:143/imap/user="jan"}inbox (inboxstream)
: [APPENDUID 943435970 1] Completed
=== folder_screen called ====

		
And the second time around:

		
  ---- COMPOSER ----
[preamble deleted]
IMAP DEBUG 09:32:59 11/24: 00000012 LIST "" Inbox.jan
IMAP DEBUG 09:32:59 11/24: * LIST () "." Inbox.jan
mm_list "{localhost}Inbox.jan": delim: '.',
IMAP DEBUG 09:32:59 11/24: 00000012 OK Completed
Want_to read: RETURN (13)
IMAP DEBUG 09:33:00 11/24: 00000013 Create Inbox.jan
IMAP DEBUG 09:33:00 11/24: * 7 EXISTS
=== mm_exists(7,{localhost:143/imap/user="jan"}inbox) called ===
IMAP DEBUG 09:33:00 11/24: * 1 RECENT
IMAP DEBUG 09:33:00 11/24: 00000013 NO Mailbox already exists
IMAP 09:33:00 11/24 mm_log ERROR: Mailbox already exists

		
What gives?

		
Any help would be appreciated. It looks like Pine isn't recognising
Inbox.jan as a valid folder.

		
jan	
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I asked this question on pine news group a while ago but didn't get an
answer.  I came to search the pine-info archive and found this question
was asked in 1997 (Feb) without any replies.  This is a qmail related
question, but on qmail group I didn't get the answer since among Berkeley
"mail", "mailx", "elm" and "pine", only "pine" has such problem with qmail:

		
pine works fine with qmail on local mail reading/delivery.  The problem
is only when pine sends mail to remote domain, it fails with the following
error message: 

		
[Mail not sent: sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5]

		
I did all possible system configurations on qmail site to "allow" mailing to
outside domains, which made elm and mail to work, but NOT with pine.  Any
suggestions?

		
One more clue: "pine" works for root to send outside mails ....

		
Thanks in advance!

		
Zhiliang
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	Hi !

		
	since our /var/spool/mail has 2775 protection, pine tells us
it MUST have 1777 protection, saying our mailbox would be
"vulnerable". I can't see why.

		
	Could someone tell me ? 

		
--  Nico

		

		
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On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Nicolas Markey wrote:

		
> 	since our /var/spool/mail has 2775 protection, pine tells us
> it MUST have 1777 protection, saying our mailbox would be
> "vulnerable". I can't see why.

		
2775 would allow any user who can create a file in the spool to also
delete any file in the spool even if they don't own the file so it's not
safe. If you want new files to get the group of the directory (2000) at
least do 3775. (i.e. also add 1000) so that you have the sticky bit set as
well.

		
Hopefully whatever group you have for the directory includes all your
users who might use mail or you'll run into problems.

		
	-Ariel

		

		
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